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JasonC SBB 08-06-2009 01:27 PM

Interesting discussion on "millerizing" a turbo setup
 
Compression - MX-5 Miata Forum

y8s 08-06-2009 02:15 PM

cliffs:

mazda millernia miller cycle uses a supercharger to do the hard compression work and leaves intake valves open during the first part of the compression stroke when the crank has no leverage on the rod/piston.

same ish could be done on a turbo, but not quite so much at light throttle where there's no boosts. super doesn't have to wait for exh gas to do its job.

big question: can you set up the VVT to close the intake valve so late that you gain efficiency with a turbo?

18psi 08-06-2009 02:15 PM

Damn I miss Pat

JasonC SBB 08-07-2009 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 439385)
same ish could be done on a turbo, but not quite so much at light throttle where there's no boosts. super doesn't have to wait for exh gas to do its job.

Light throttle means vacuum in intake mani. No need for boostin'.

Fireindc 08-07-2009 07:52 PM

Cool thread, thanks for the link.

y8s 08-07-2009 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 439823)
Light throttle means vacuum in intake mani. No need for boostin'.

intake valve open late means air pushin' back into the intake and less vacuum

mike_671 08-07-2009 11:44 PM

That was very interesting

JasonC SBB 08-09-2009 02:34 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 439905)
intake valve open late means air pushin' back into the intake and less vacuum

Correct less vacuumin' but no boostin'.

naarleven 08-09-2009 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 439388)
damn i miss pat

+1

nuvolarossa 08-09-2009 07:56 AM

yes, but basically having that retarded closing intake valve it would mean less probability to knock but A LOT of torque/power loss until the turbo will be able to fully spool, right?

y8s 08-09-2009 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 439388)
Damn I miss Pat


Originally Posted by naarleven (Post 440276)
+1

PM Rick about your longings if you want, but please dont drag this up on the forums again.

JasonC SBB 08-11-2009 07:57 PM

So the 99/00 intake cam has the same duration and lift / ramps as the '01+?

If so how retarded is the 01 in full retard compared to the 99/00?

y8s 08-11-2009 09:04 PM

you'd have to degree both and compare I guess.

JasonC SBB 08-12-2009 01:27 AM

Why does the stock 01' need to move its intake cam around to match the 99 torque curve? Lack of VICS?

y8s 08-12-2009 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 441631)
Why does the stock 01' need to move its intake cam around to match the 99 torque curve? Lack of VICS?

does it? do you ahve a stock 99 dyno plot?

JasonC SBB 08-12-2009 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 441701)
does it? do you ahve a stock 99 dyno plot?

When the 01 first came out FM showed that it was dead nuts same as the 99.

y8s 08-12-2009 03:45 PM

From FM:

VICS on a 99.
Here's our '99 with 600 miles on stock engine, FM single n/a exhaust. If you look at the chart, Run 29 is with hose disconnected and plugged for the VICS actuator. Major drop in midrange torque. Run 30 is with VICS hooked up normally. Run 31 is with VICS locked in the low rpm position, you can see that peak hp is the same, but hp plummets after about 6k rpm.
http://flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs/99_050400.pdf

VVT on a 2003
Run 4 is VVT unplugged
http://flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs...sconnected.pdf

99 vs 2001
2001 is Run 3
http://flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs...ell_112700.pdf


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