Kit VS DIY - spoonfeed me or I'll cry about it
07-23-2018, 03:28 PM
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To answer your question, yes the turbo will work. Nearly any turbo of appropriate size can be fabricated to fit but some are easier to set up than others. If you are willing to put in the fabrication work, it will work. It may not work as well as some other combinations and it may not be as easy to make work as other combinations. But as these fellows have mentioned, a good manifold is more difficult to acquire than a good Turbo.
I read through the FAQ already and I do not believe I saw anything within the stretch of the imagination resembling an explicit answer to my question. Maybe I may have missed it. May you please direct me to exactly where it answers my question? I would love to read over it.
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07-31-2018, 06:54 PM
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lmao
Yeah you're gonna have to accept the fact that you either conform to the general consensus of "search first, search more, then more, start to give up, then maybe ask" way of obtaining information here.
The questions that get answered enthusiastically are ones from people that show they've at least tried searching and have say - maybe 80% of the information necessary for any given topic.
e.g.
If I had X turbo with X manifold/X size exhaust, would it be reasonable to run X target kPA levels? Would this be too aggressive, aiming for X amount of wheel torque etc
*inserts link to reference build*
This person has done it this way, all I wish to do is change this/these parts. I understand that this will cause blah-blah
Questions like "what turbos are used in these turboMiata builds?" have been asked since what feels like the beginning of the regular member's existence, considering how many of these generic questions they've answered; they probably are sick to death of informing people when they've already made sticky pages with 99% of the information needed for novice-intermediate turbo attaching activities.
Yeah you're gonna have to accept the fact that you either conform to the general consensus of "search first, search more, then more, start to give up, then maybe ask" way of obtaining information here.
The questions that get answered enthusiastically are ones from people that show they've at least tried searching and have say - maybe 80% of the information necessary for any given topic.
e.g.
If I had X turbo with X manifold/X size exhaust, would it be reasonable to run X target kPA levels? Would this be too aggressive, aiming for X amount of wheel torque etc
*inserts link to reference build*
This person has done it this way, all I wish to do is change this/these parts. I understand that this will cause blah-blah
Questions like "what turbos are used in these turboMiata builds?" have been asked since what feels like the beginning of the regular member's existence, considering how many of these generic questions they've answered; they probably are sick to death of informing people when they've already made sticky pages with 99% of the information needed for novice-intermediate turbo attaching activities.
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08-01-2018, 02:32 PM
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The reasoning behind the anti-spoonfeeding attitude here is actually quite rational: learning how to learn is a skill in itself. If someone asks a question that could easily be answered by 5 minutes of searching on google, and it gets answered productively, they're just going to ask another question in 10 minutes, and another, and another, because they never learned how to find the information themselves. Turbocharging may not be rocket science, but it's not Lego's either, and there is a fair amount of technical knowledge required to keep from blowing one's car and one's self up. If every person who lacks the will or skill to learn on his own is spoon fed all the information required to successfully turbocharge his Miata, the knowledgeable people on this forum would spend all day every day teaching people how to do it.
Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers. If you learn how to learn on your own, you'll actually understand the information, and you'll be able to apply it effectively. When I've had other people help me work on my car, I'm not nearly as confident with the process as when I figure it out and do it all on my own.
Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you. Such an attitude is not an effective way of making friends, and it's certainly not going to make people want to help you. Why should anyone spend 5 minutes helping someone who won't spend 5 minutes helping themselves? Spending the time to research on your own shows respect to the people here because it means you don't want to waste their time answering a question that's already been answered 100 times. Failing to do that shows that you don't give a **** about anyone's time but your own; that's why people don't appreciate it.
Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers. If you learn how to learn on your own, you'll actually understand the information, and you'll be able to apply it effectively. When I've had other people help me work on my car, I'm not nearly as confident with the process as when I figure it out and do it all on my own.
Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you. Such an attitude is not an effective way of making friends, and it's certainly not going to make people want to help you. Why should anyone spend 5 minutes helping someone who won't spend 5 minutes helping themselves? Spending the time to research on your own shows respect to the people here because it means you don't want to waste their time answering a question that's already been answered 100 times. Failing to do that shows that you don't give a **** about anyone's time but your own; that's why people don't appreciate it.
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08-01-2018, 03:16 PM
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The reasoning behind the anti-spoonfeeding attitude here is actually quite rational: learning how to learn is a skill in itself. If someone asks a question that could easily be answered by 5 minutes of searching on google, and it gets answered productively, they're just going to ask another question in 10 minutes, and another, and another, because they never learned how to find the information themselves. Turbocharging may not be rocket science, but it's not Lego's either, and there is a fair amount of technical knowledge required to keep from blowing one's car and one's self up. If every person who lacks the will or skill to learn on his own is spoon fed all the information required to successfully turbocharge his Miata, the knowledgeable people on this forum would spend all day every day teaching people how to do it.
Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers. If you learn how to learn on your own, you'll actually understand the information, and you'll be able to apply it effectively. When I've had other people help me work on my car, I'm not nearly as confident with the process as when I figure it out and do it all on my own.
Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you. Such an attitude is not an effective way of making friends, and it's certainly not going to make people want to help you. Why should anyone spend 5 minutes helping someone who won't spend 5 minutes helping themselves? Spending the time to research on your own shows respect to the people here because it means you don't want to waste their time answering a question that's already been answered 100 times. Failing to do that shows that you don't give a **** about anyone's time but your own; that's why people don't appreciate it.
Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers. If you learn how to learn on your own, you'll actually understand the information, and you'll be able to apply it effectively. When I've had other people help me work on my car, I'm not nearly as confident with the process as when I figure it out and do it all on my own.
Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you. Such an attitude is not an effective way of making friends, and it's certainly not going to make people want to help you. Why should anyone spend 5 minutes helping someone who won't spend 5 minutes helping themselves? Spending the time to research on your own shows respect to the people here because it means you don't want to waste their time answering a question that's already been answered 100 times. Failing to do that shows that you don't give a **** about anyone's time but your own; that's why people don't appreciate it.
Define "spoonfed". It looks like the guys on this forum here define "spoonfeeding" as the act of explaining a certain concept in detail. Isn't that what teaching is? "Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers." Hmmm.. so according to your logic, I suppose going to college for a degree in anything would indefinitely imply that you will not understand any information taught to you. Maybe we should get rid of universities and schooling altogether.. because HECK, we can learn anything on our own that effectively, right? Don't know about you, but that definitely doesn't sound very logical to me.
"Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you."
I completely agree with your statement here and how you used the word "demand". Yes, if someone is demanding that strangers answer a question immediately, I agree that they shouldn't be expected to be answered. But what if someone is simply asking a question? Is it worse to spend 5 minutes of your day to flame someone that's asking a question or spend 5 minutes to answer it and be done? I understand if people think that subjectively simple questions can be annoying on a forum, but isn't that what mods and admins are here for? I saw some mods on here making smart *** remarks rather than deleting this thread altogether! Save the immaturity for kindergarten class. If creating elitist content is what this forum values so much, then why do threads like this never get deleted? If they are so annoyed at this type of content, then why isn't it more heavily enforced here? It doesn't make sense to me. The fact that mods took time out of their day to post childish remarks on a forum rather than use 2 clicks to delete a thread is beyond me. I guess some people never grow up.
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08-01-2018, 05:06 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your logic here. By your logic, nobody in the world would be able to ask any question whatsoever if and only if there is an answer for it. That would mean that any question asked here should technically not be asked because you can just search on Google for it or logically deduce the answer themselves. If so, under what circumstances is one allowed to ask a question? If they cannot find an answer within 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Hey guys, I guess we're not allowed to ask a question about a problem if we need the solution!
Define "spoonfed". It looks like the guys on this forum here define "spoonfeeding" as the act of explaining a certain concept in detail. Isn't that what teaching is? "Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers." Hmmm.. so according to your logic, I suppose going to college for a degree in anything would indefinitely imply that you will not understand any information taught to you. Maybe we should get rid of universities and schooling altogether.. because HECK, we can learn anything on our own that effectively, right? Don't know about you, but that definitely doesn't sound very logical to me.
"Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you."
I completely agree with your statement here and how you used the word "demand". Yes, if someone is demanding that strangers answer a question immediately, I agree that they shouldn't be expected to be answered. But what if someone is simply asking a question? Is it worse to spend 5 minutes of your day to flame someone that's asking a question or spend 5 minutes to answer it and be done? I understand if people think that subjectively simple questions can be annoying on a forum, but isn't that what mods and admins are here for? I saw some mods on here making smart *** remarks rather than deleting this thread altogether! Save the immaturity for kindergarten class. If creating elitist content is what this forum values so much, then why do threads like this never get deleted? If they are so annoyed at this type of content, then why isn't it more heavily enforced here? It doesn't make sense to me. The fact that mods took time out of their day to post childish remarks on a forum rather than use 2 clicks to delete a thread is beyond me. I guess some people never grow up.
Define "spoonfed". It looks like the guys on this forum here define "spoonfeeding" as the act of explaining a certain concept in detail. Isn't that what teaching is? "Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers." Hmmm.. so according to your logic, I suppose going to college for a degree in anything would indefinitely imply that you will not understand any information taught to you. Maybe we should get rid of universities and schooling altogether.. because HECK, we can learn anything on our own that effectively, right? Don't know about you, but that definitely doesn't sound very logical to me.
"Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you."
I completely agree with your statement here and how you used the word "demand". Yes, if someone is demanding that strangers answer a question immediately, I agree that they shouldn't be expected to be answered. But what if someone is simply asking a question? Is it worse to spend 5 minutes of your day to flame someone that's asking a question or spend 5 minutes to answer it and be done? I understand if people think that subjectively simple questions can be annoying on a forum, but isn't that what mods and admins are here for? I saw some mods on here making smart *** remarks rather than deleting this thread altogether! Save the immaturity for kindergarten class. If creating elitist content is what this forum values so much, then why do threads like this never get deleted? If they are so annoyed at this type of content, then why isn't it more heavily enforced here? It doesn't make sense to me. The fact that mods took time out of their day to post childish remarks on a forum rather than use 2 clicks to delete a thread is beyond me. I guess some people never grow up.
"Muahahaha! Your misguided attempts to use reason and logic are wasted on me! I am impervious to such Jedi mind tricks. Please, continue to harass me, and if there was any question as to whether or not I'm a genuine ***, let me dispel such doubts now."
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08-01-2018, 10:03 PM
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1. They act as a litmus test for you. You are forced to either understand the ethos of the forum and why we operate this way, or you become so disgusted with us that you simply leave. It makes no difference to us either way. If you feel that this forum and its community are of value to you, you'll spend the time to bring yourself up to a minimum competence level, such that you're able to grasp the basics on your own and only ask questions to fill in specific gaps. If, instead, your intention is to simply rehash what we, as a community, have already discussed and documented elsewhere, we'd rather you not stick around at all.
2. They act as a warning to others who might be tempted to make similar threads. This is the best technical Miata forum in the world, hands down. It is likely one of the best technical automotive forums in the world. If you are interested in these cars from a technical point of view, it behooves you to join this community. Threads like this, where an excessively simple question is met with mockery and derision, are a deterrent towards more similar threads being created. Thus, people who join and invest their own time in the community think twice before asking simple questions, the level of discourse on the forum is elevated, and the community benefits.
3. It's not the moderator's job to delete stupid threads, just as it's not the long-term member's job to answer simple questions. This goes back to points that have already been mentioned, but it's awfully entitled of you to assume that the moderators would waste their time deleting threads like this. Why do you assume they would spend their time doing so?
At the end of the day, you'll almost certainly either leave here forever, or you'll decide that the knowledge and information contained here is worth spending YOUR time to absorb. If you spend the time to absorb the info here, you'll understand why we are the way we are. There's no BS on this forum. No clutter, no garbage. Nearly every current thread is worth reading and understanding, because it's all new information, not rehashes of the basics.
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08-01-2018, 11:34 PM
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You guys act like installing and setting up a turbo is rocket science. It's not. If a 17 year old kid can do it in his mom's garage than yeah. So some of you need to get off your high horses and stop acting like turbo are some kind if mythical enigma. It's a damn turbo diy forum for people to ask questions and learn. I'm sure all of you knew it all before you started.
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