Kit VS DIY - spoonfeed me or I'll cry about it
 

Long time lurker and first real post here. Excuse my noobiness.

If I sourced all the turbo parts for my car individually, would I have to custom fab the downpipe and intercooler piping? If so, are there any good guides or tutorials on how to do that here on this forum?

Yes and not really.

MK Turbo is the best value conscious kit right now.

if you're a long time lurker, what have you been reading/learning all this time?

confusing reading with looking at pictures.

This is like asking: If i source tires myself instead of just dropping my car off at discount, will I have to get new wheels?

fixt

Thanks for the help! You guys are a real friendly bunch. :)

welp, you got the best answer in post #2. The rest was just for fun. Not a lot of sugar around here.

Sugar gives you beetus. You don't want the beetus, do you?

You guys act like installing and setting up a turbo is rocket science. It's not. If a 17 year old kid can do it in his mom's garage than yeah. So some of you need to get off your high horses and stop acting like turbo are some kind if mythical enigma. It's a damn turbo diy forum for people to ask questions and learn. I'm sure all of you knew it all before you started.

and a week later that car is on craigslist being parted with a blow motor.

members here know what works and what doesn't work. Wise to listen and soak in information.

No shit. That's why people ask questions. Promise you my car will not be parted out. Keep thinking it's brain surgery if it makes you feel good. If you got so much knowledge share it instead of being an asshole. Never understood why those with knowledge always became elitist. Jokes

You're right, it's not brain surgery, and that's the point! The process is simple, it's all been discovered, tested, documented and explained many many times, and we don't want to keep explaining it time and time again. It's a simple matter of searching and reading and attempting to understand.

People here are happy to help when someone experiences issues with the process, or needs further explanation, but if people don't at least look for the process and apply some level of thought to their situation they're gonna get some grief around here.

If you don't like the question than pass it up and move on. No need to be a dick. Never will uunderstand why those with knowledge forget how they got it.

I haven't forgot how I got my knowledge, I searched for it, I read A LOT! And I continue to learn. Like the majority on here have/do. In fact, many users never post, they just read, because there's so much good information here.

That's how it goes here, the aim is to have quality posts with relevant evolving information, not rehashing the same shit daily. Don't like it? Move on. If you feel like helping everyone who can't work a search engine, posts a new topic for every thought that pops in their head and wants to turbo their Miata with a budget less than $1k, the Facebook groups will gladly have you.

17 years old, build turbo turd in the basement instead of moving out like a grown up.

Every forum I've been part of that doesn't actively cull the way miataturbo does is full of "how many psi should my tires take if I have maple trim on my center console?" type threads. If there is even any decent knowledge on those forums they quickly leave due to the stoopid, or their posts become impossible to find in the sea of bullshit. Please go have fun an M.net, or get over yourself, like right now.

Yep. Spent two years reading and collecting parts before even thinking about taking apart my car for the swap. I didn't go to forums and post "HOW DOSE I V8 SWAP?!?!?!" Engine swap is a different process but the same idea. Read. Don't be fucking annoying and shit post questions that have been answered 100 times over the years.

And no one is on a high horse. People just don't owe you shit, the information is out there, look for it. If you're not gonna spend the time looking for it, why should I spend the time giving it to you?

IT'S A MIATA DIY TURBO FORUM!

Yes they do.

SO FUCKING READ IT.

You're not going to get along well here.

So obviously people come to this forum for a reason. It just seems to me that a DIY turbo forum when actually bring people that wanted to use junkyard turbos etc. This is far from a DIY forum.

Read what?

Do I need to spoonfeed that to you as well?

Maybe the diy forum, instead of shitposting questions that have been answered a million times.

To answer your question, yes the turbo will work. Nearly any turbo of appropriate size can be fabricated to fit but some are easier to set up than others. If you are willing to put in the fabrication work, it will work. It may not work as well as some other combinations and it may not be as easy to make work as other combinations. But as these fellows have mentioned, a good manifold is more difficult to acquire than a good Turbo.

Infracted for retardation. Ignorant or arrogant,pick one can’t have both, or I show you the door

Thread title did not disappoint.

Lol at thread title

Good read. In for the rest of the show.

"Knowpain" It might seem like we are a rough crowd here but what you need to understand is there is an enormous amount of information here to the point were almost every question you could possibly have is answered. When it comes to diy turbo kits yes and idiot in his moms basement can turbo a shitty car. What we have on this forum and why people get a little grumpy at kids not searching is a recipe for high hp reliable turbo miatas. There has been a ton of builds on here with people making huge numbers and prove what works and doesnt. So its kinda up to what you want to do. You can not learn and do what you want without research and break parts and waste money or you can read what works buy the quality components and have a nice turbo car. But your attitude problem here needs to stop and you need to start reading a LOT otherwise you are going to get roasted here and probably banned. A good start for you would probably be a megasquirt if you dont have one already and maybe a class on how to search google.

surprised OP isnt posting in mx5 yet..thats where you get the real juicy info.

I haven't seen you answer the OP's question either. Instead you came in here just to bitch and moan about people telling someone to search for the vast amount of knowledge that is already recorded on this site.

Maybe you're the joke here? (HINT - the answer to that question is yes)

Regarding the OP's question. Even some of the kits require some DIY. Not all of the kits have every single nut and bolt or piece you need. My recommendation would be to find what power level you want and then decide if you want to put in the work to get the car there reliably. Want 500 HP? Awesome, be prepared to do a ton of work and swap the transmission and rear end. Sounds like you might be looking more for 200-250 HP though based on your question. Start by researching which turbo you want and go from there. The most common are some variant of a T25 or the Borg Warner EFR6258.

OR if you're not the type to sit in front of the computer and put in the time to search for exactly what you want and instead just want the cool noises that come with a turbo then you can call up Flyin' Miata and they'll sell you everything you could possibly want.

Let's just get something out there. I'm 43 years old and have done my fair share of fab and restoration work in my lifetime. I have already purchased a MS3. I go junkyard hunting about every other weekend looking for parts to my old Mercedes. I found a turbo that was actually still available on the engine. I did the research before I asked but was trying to get some input on the usefulness of the Mercedes turbo. Like I said it was on the junkyard list that I researched. So now I know. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ea51386b47.png

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/as...8.0/332632.jpg

What does this thread have to do with you? or are you OP and just samefagging with another user to defend your thread and forgot which user you were logged in as?

I have never done any work on FI systems. I am a carb guy. So this is my first build/restoration on anything newer than 78. I sold my CB750, 73 MGB, 64 internation Scout and 78 C10. Bought this because I wanted to get into the turbo arena. Figured it was a good place to start. I currently am totally redoing all the suspension and steering on the 91 miata. I have a small rust spot to weld up and then I will pull the engine out and reseal. I'm just gathering parts for the turbo.

There is a FAQ section that covers all the basics so that people dont ask questions like he did. Dont get yer panties in a bunch Petunia.

We do use junk yard turbos. Plent of kits do. The kinds of people that want to pluck a random turbo from the junk yard and ask if it will work have not lesrned enough to be able to choose and use a turbo yet. When told so, most flip out.

Like I stated it was on the list of turbos I got from this website.

T25
T28
T3 60 trim
GT2554R
GT2560R
GT2871R
TD04L-13T ( wrx turbo )

Those are all perfect for a stock motor miata

i would not run a 2871 on a stock motor, too laggy and limiting the turbo to 10-12 psi is no fun. basides that, solid list.

Thank you for actually answering my question. I very much appreciate that.

I read through the FAQ already and I do not believe I saw anything within the stretch of the imagination resembling an explicit answer to my question. Maybe I may have missed it. May you please direct me to exactly where it answers my question? I would love to read over it.

Here you go:
https://www.miataturbo.net/login.php...0eb54966207050

Thanks.

lmao

Yeah you're gonna have to accept the fact that you either conform to the general consensus of "search first, search more, then more, start to give up, then maybe ask" way of obtaining information here.
The questions that get answered enthusiastically are ones from people that show they've at least tried searching and have say - maybe 80% of the information necessary for any given topic.
e.g.

If I had X turbo with X manifold/X size exhaust, would it be reasonable to run X target kPA levels? Would this be too aggressive, aiming for X amount of wheel torque etc
*inserts link to reference build*
This person has done it this way, all I wish to do is change this/these parts. I understand that this will cause blah-blah

Questions like "what turbos are used in these turboMiata builds?" have been asked since what feels like the beginning of the regular member's existence, considering how many of these generic questions they've answered; they probably are sick to death of informing people when they've already made sticky pages with 99% of the information needed for novice-intermediate turbo attaching activities.

The reasoning behind the anti-spoonfeeding attitude here is actually quite rational: learning how to learn is a skill in itself. If someone asks a question that could easily be answered by 5 minutes of searching on google, and it gets answered productively, they're just going to ask another question in 10 minutes, and another, and another, because they never learned how to find the information themselves. Turbocharging may not be rocket science, but it's not Lego's either, and there is a fair amount of technical knowledge required to keep from blowing one's car and one's self up. If every person who lacks the will or skill to learn on his own is spoon fed all the information required to successfully turbocharge his Miata, the knowledgeable people on this forum would spend all day every day teaching people how to do it.

Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers. If you learn how to learn on your own, you'll actually understand the information, and you'll be able to apply it effectively. When I've had other people help me work on my car, I'm not nearly as confident with the process as when I figure it out and do it all on my own.

Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you. Such an attitude is not an effective way of making friends, and it's certainly not going to make people want to help you. Why should anyone spend 5 minutes helping someone who won't spend 5 minutes helping themselves? Spending the time to research on your own shows respect to the people here because it means you don't want to waste their time answering a question that's already been answered 100 times. Failing to do that shows that you don't give a shit about anyone's time but your own; that's why people don't appreciate it.

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. By your logic, nobody in the world would be able to ask any question whatsoever if and only if there is an answer for it. That would mean that any question asked here should technically not be asked because you can just search on Google for it or logically deduce the answer themselves. If so, under what circumstances is one allowed to ask a question? If they cannot find an answer within 5 minutes? 10 minutes? Hey guys, I guess we're not allowed to ask a question about a problem if we need the solution!

Define "spoonfed". It looks like the guys on this forum here define "spoonfeeding" as the act of explaining a certain concept in detail. Isn't that what teaching is? "Furthermore, when you're spoon fed a large amount of technical information, you don't really understand it, so this attitude is for the benefit of the learner as much as it is for the teachers." Hmmm.. so according to your logic, I suppose going to college for a degree in anything would indefinitely imply that you will not understand any information taught to you. Maybe we should get rid of universities and schooling altogether.. because HECK, we can learn anything on our own that effectively, right? Don't know about you, but that definitely doesn't sound very logical to me.

"Finally, it is an entitled, lazy, inconsiderate, self centered, and generally immature attitude that causes a person to demand that total strangers answer his question the way he wants it answered, forthwith and post haste, without making any effort to earn the respect of, or at least show some respect to, the people who you're asking to take time out of their day and spend it helping you."

I completely agree with your statement here and how you used the word "demand". Yes, if someone is demanding that strangers answer a question immediately, I agree that they shouldn't be expected to be answered. But what if someone is simply asking a question? Is it worse to spend 5 minutes of your day to flame someone that's asking a question or spend 5 minutes to answer it and be done? I understand if people think that subjectively simple questions can be annoying on a forum, but isn't that what mods and admins are here for? I saw some mods on here making smart ass remarks rather than deleting this thread altogether! Save the immaturity for kindergarten class. If creating elitist content is what this forum values so much, then why do threads like this never get deleted? If they are so annoyed at this type of content, then why isn't it more heavily enforced here? It doesn't make sense to me. The fact that mods took time out of their day to post childish remarks on a forum rather than use 2 clicks to delete a thread is beyond me. I guess some people never grow up.

Youre being deliberately dense

Nah, he’s just grown up. Lol

Translation:

"Muahahaha! Your misguided attempts to use reason and logic are wasted on me! I am impervious to such Jedi mind tricks. Please, continue to harass me, and if there was any question as to whether or not I'm a genuine ass, let me dispel such doubts now."

Three reasons:

1. They act as a litmus test for you. You are forced to either understand the ethos of the forum and why we operate this way, or you become so disgusted with us that you simply leave. It makes no difference to us either way. If you feel that this forum and its community are of value to you, you'll spend the time to bring yourself up to a minimum competence level, such that you're able to grasp the basics on your own and only ask questions to fill in specific gaps. If, instead, your intention is to simply rehash what we, as a community, have already discussed and documented elsewhere, we'd rather you not stick around at all.

2. They act as a warning to others who might be tempted to make similar threads. This is the best technical Miata forum in the world, hands down. It is likely one of the best technical automotive forums in the world. If you are interested in these cars from a technical point of view, it behooves you to join this community. Threads like this, where an excessively simple question is met with mockery and derision, are a deterrent towards more similar threads being created. Thus, people who join and invest their own time in the community think twice before asking simple questions, the level of discourse on the forum is elevated, and the community benefits.

3. It's not the moderator's job to delete stupid threads, just as it's not the long-term member's job to answer simple questions. This goes back to points that have already been mentioned, but it's awfully entitled of you to assume that the moderators would waste their time deleting threads like this. Why do you assume they would spend their time doing so?

At the end of the day, you'll almost certainly either leave here forever, or you'll decide that the knowledge and information contained here is worth spending YOUR time to absorb. If you spend the time to absorb the info here, you'll understand why we are the way we are. There's no BS on this forum. No clutter, no garbage. Nearly every current thread is worth reading and understanding, because it's all new information, not rehashes of the basics.

Exactly what I mean. Nothing left to say.

Hey, he's learning!