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ericsbestshot 06-26-2014 04:57 PM

Loses power when in boost. Little help please.
 
So for the last few weeks when in boost I lose a lot of power. I've been running my setup successfully for the past year with no issues. The problem doesn't happen all the time. Sometimes the car accelerates in boost just fine.

When I'm down on power I also notice my afr stays closer to 13.5 to 15. I've looked at my data logs but nothing seems off. According to logs the injector duty cycle gets to 50%.

The lose of power usually happens between 2-6psi. When driving out of boost everything drives normally. I am curious whether the ecu switches over to closed loop when this happens.

My set up:
Sr20 turbo no intercooler 6psi
Begi log manifold and sgdp
AEM F/IC (MAF still connected)
AEM uego afr gauge and boost gauge.
RX-8 440cc injectors.


Thanks for any help.

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 12:15 PM

bump for help.

After some more time reading, I leaning toward fuel pump issues. Fuel pump not able to supply enough pressure when getting into boost.

Alejo_NIN 06-27-2014 12:16 PM

you have 440cc...you better have at a minium a walbro 255...please tell me your fuel pump is not stock.

concealer404 06-27-2014 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN (Post 1143978)
you have 440cc...you better have at a minium a walbro 255...please tell me your fuel pump is not stock.


Please explain why 440cc injectors require a big fuel pump for the ~160whp OP is making.

Alejo_NIN 06-27-2014 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1143985)
Please explain why 440cc injectors require a big fuel pump for the ~160whp OP is making.

It isn't stock inj. Even at 6psi..and then again. Why even bother with 440s if he is just doing 6psi

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 12:37 PM

well if the fuel pump is working properly it should be sufficient at my power levels. It worked well for over a year.

Alejo_NIN 06-27-2014 12:37 PM

Better yet..explain why not. Seriously. I'm curious. I could be wrong

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN (Post 1143987)
It isn't stock inj. Even at 6psi..and then again. Why even bother with 440s if he is just doing 6psi

I got the 440s for free so why not?

concealer404 06-27-2014 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN (Post 1143987)
It isn't stock inj. Even at 6psi..and then again. Why even bother with 440s if he is just doing 6psi

So? None of that has anything to do with fuel pump.


Originally Posted by ericsbestshot (Post 1143989)
well if the fuel pump is working properly it should be sufficient at my power levels. It worked well for over a year.

True story. I'm not sure what else could be failing.... TPS possibly?


Originally Posted by Alejo_NIN (Post 1143990)
Better yet..explain why not. Seriously. I'm curious. I could be wrong

No, not "could." "Am." Read up on how fuel pumps work and how to determine which pump is right for you.

Alejo_NIN 06-27-2014 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1143992)
So? None of that has anything to do with fuel pump.



True story. I'm not sure what else could be failing.... TPS possibly?



No, not "could." "Am." Read up on how fuel pumps work and how to determine which pump is right for you.

I guess I am. I stand corrected.http://www.deatschwerks.com/resources/fuel-calculators/fuel-pump-calculator

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 12:55 PM

Not sure about TPS. How does the stock ecu use tps as it pertains to fuel? I just know that i'm not using Throttle position to dictate fuel in my piggyback.

sixshooter 06-27-2014 12:56 PM

Change the fuel pump.

concealer404 06-27-2014 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by ericsbestshot (Post 1144005)
Not sure about TPS. How does the stock ecu use tps as it pertains to fuel? I just know that i'm not using Throttle position to dictate fuel in my piggyback.


Just thinking out loud. Unlikely to be the issue, but bad TPS can cause shitty tip-in enrichment, go lean, etc.

I'm liking the pump solution so long as nothing else has truly changed since the year it ran great.

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 01:07 PM

nope no changes. Also I think I would see weird readings on throttle position in my datalog but everthing looked spot on.

Well I'll go ahead and get a new pump. I'm thinking deatschwerks DW200. Quite and gives me something to grow into and 3 year warranty.

concealer404 06-27-2014 01:08 PM

Yep you'd see some weirdness. I'd say throw a pump at it. Worst case scenario you can add another modification to your signature. :rofl: :)

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 01:10 PM

yeah my signature does need to grow huh.

stefanst 06-27-2014 09:37 PM

Spark blowout?
Check the plugs, look for fouling, adjust gap.

ericsbestshot 06-27-2014 10:01 PM

If i had spark blow out I think I should expect lower afr.

stefanst 06-27-2014 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by ericsbestshot (Post 1144168)
If i had spark blow out I think I should expect lower afr.

If I recall this properly, spark blowout means that there is un-burned oxygen in the exhaust and the oxygen sensor reads lean (high AFR).

sixshooter 06-28-2014 06:33 PM

If you are running higher than .30 gap you deserve blowout.


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