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18psi 02-28-2013 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by stevenmiata (Post 983997)
Im already using a map sensor instead of the TPS sensor as the "fake tps signal" in the SAFC. I knew that already i just forgot to mention it.

And as you can read clearly like i said. Its really giving an IMPRESSIVE pull for the 800$ I spend... i doubt you could find a miata with a total of 800$ engine mod to pull that good as mine... not saying im the number 1, im just saying i think i did good with a budget that low. I planned at the beginning a 1000$ turbo kit just for fun.

Well anyway i'll try to figure this out tomorrow.

BTW if it could interest anybody i made a video of my miata project online if anyone curious to see how its running

Projet miata jdm turbo 1989 - YouTube

Dude, your car is a PIECE OF JUNK. Seriously. No one is impressed. At all. We are all disgusted.

Being proud of that, is like being proud of a giant smelly diarrheal dump you took in the bathroom.

thenuge26 02-28-2013 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by stevenmiata (Post 983997)
And as you can read clearly like i said. Its really giving an IMPRESSIVE pull for the 800$ I spend... i doubt you could find a miata with a total of 800$ engine mod to pull that good as mine... not saying im the number 1, im just saying i think i did good with a budget that low. I planned at the beginning a 1000$ turbo kit just for fun.

That's like saying "I'm not saying my house is the nicest house ever, but for a cardboard box it's pretty nice".

Most people here spend more on engine management than you did on your entire turbo system. Which is why theirs start and yours doesn't.

ianferrell 02-28-2013 10:14 AM

If you have $200 of budget left over.... Buy a megasquirt, sounds like you already have a wideband. For $200, you're looking at used, or even a Ms1. Either will actually work vs a piggy back which will always be a dangerous compromise.

Zaphod 02-28-2013 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 984047)
Most people here spend more on engine management than you did on your entire turbo system. Which is why theirs start and yours doesn't.

I lol'd...

krissetsfire 02-28-2013 10:40 AM

Hay gauyzzzzz I also want my miata to tow 8000 lb. I baught a class 1 hich and hooked it up but now when I connect my horsey trail0r to it the hitch touches the ground and my car looks like it's going to flip over. Wat shud i do-ezzz? I was able to tow my roach coach hotdog stand before but I need to tow my horsy's now.

How ridiculous does this sound to you? because what you have told us OP is not far off.

18psi 02-28-2013 11:18 AM

just gaz it dawgggg

gaz it

concealer404 02-28-2013 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by stevenmiata (Post 983960)
Wow... i was hoping to get help or advice... not this kind of answer...

guys how can u juge someone's car without even see the result of it.. you guys should be less negative and be more open mind to others idea than spend 10 gran and expert a race car.. this is a daily car and not intend to drag race .. its just for fun


Are you having fun with your car that doesn't run even close to right at the moment?

Full_Tilt_Boogie 02-28-2013 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by krissetsfire (Post 984076)
Hay gauyzzzzz I also want my miata to tow 8000 lb. I baught a class 1 hich and hooked it up but now when I connect my horsey trail0r to it the hitch touches the ground and my car looks like it's going to flip over. Wat shud i do-ezzz? I was able to tow my roach coach hotdog stand before but I need to tow my horsy's now.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:



Originally Posted by ianferrell (Post 984070)
If you have $200 of budget left over.... Buy a megasquirt, sounds like you already have a wideband. For $200, you're looking at used, or even a Ms1. Either will actually work vs a piggy back which will always be a dangerous compromise.

OP,
If youre still listening, THIS^ is real advice. If you had spent 10 minutes searching you would have known this.
This forum is so tailored to budget enthusiast that you see it mentioned in grassroots motorsports, but even we consider an MS1 a MINIMUM. Anything less is dangerous and stupid.

pdexta 02-28-2013 02:15 PM

Sorry if I skipped over it, but is the SAFC tuned? Like someone mentioned before, it sounds like the car is super rich when cranking. It would be pretty easy to use the SAFC to pull fuel below 500 or 1000 rpms and hopefully resolve, or at least minimize, your cranking issues.

concealer404 02-28-2013 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 984193)
Sorry if I skipped over it, but is the SAFC tuned? Like someone mentioned before, it sounds like the car is super rich when cranking. It would be pretty easy to use the SAFC to pull fuel below 500 or 1000 rpms and hopefully resolve, or at least minimize, your cranking issues.

Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up there.

Are you insinuating that you can actually tune with an SAFC?

Leafy 02-28-2013 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 984196)
Whoa whoa whoa. Hold up there.

Are you insinuating that you can actually tune with an SAFC?

It does have shinny buttons on it and a display.

concealer404 02-28-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy (Post 984198)
It does have shinny buttons on it and a display.

That much i knew.... i have one. I just figured it belonged in a museum display case along with this freshness i'm putting in my display.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362080219

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362080219

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362080219



Although.... my SAFC looks too modern.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1362080219



Maybe i need one of the originals that was just one knob that adjusted the entire rev range at once. As you can imagine, it was REALLY useful.

ACHIEVE THE DRIVING HIGH. APEXI, IT'S THE SUPREME.
http://www.rx7club.com/attachments/2...-apexi_afc-jpg

Then they were all like SHIT GUISE!!! WE NEED SOMETHING SUPER!!! ADD MORE KNOBS!!!
http://wctsmultiservizi.com/wp-conte...012/09/145.jpg

thenuge26 02-28-2013 02:47 PM

All Hail Concealer404, King of the Band Aides!

concealer404 02-28-2013 02:56 PM

I am the King of Shit!



Ok but really...

OP, don't be a dildo. Get a fucking Megasquirt.



Post 666 FTW!

18psi 02-28-2013 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by pdexta (Post 984193)
Sorry if I skipped over it, but is the SAFC tuned? Like someone mentioned before, it sounds like the car is super rich when cranking. It would be pretty easy to use the SAFC to pull fuel below 500 or 1000 rpms and hopefully resolve, or at least minimize, your cranking issues.

I'm gonna go with something along the lines of:
"because its a piece of junk, it cannot manipulate start up enrichments, therefore pulling fuel at low rpm will simply make it super lean when its actually running"

that and the fact that OP said its already on maxed out trying to take out fuel.

concealer404 02-28-2013 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 984212)
I'm gonna go with something along the lines of:
"because its a piece of junk, it cannot manipulate start up enrichments, therefore pulling fuel at low rpm will simply make it super lean when its actually running"

that and the fact that OP said its already on maxed out trying to take out fuel.


This, to the point that he's started to fuck with the spring in his air metering system...

Which you know, tricks the ECU into thinking the load being presented to it is less than it actually is.

Sooo.... YAY! MOAR TIMING!!!!! :fael::vash2:

Full_Tilt_Boogie 02-28-2013 03:07 PM

All garbage.

I bet OP is at like 40 degrees advanced in boost

18psi 02-28-2013 03:16 PM

like a boss:giggle:

stevenmiata 02-28-2013 03:20 PM

hello again miata turbo peeps!!

I just wanted to update you guys about the solution I used!!

I simply put a relay on the fuel injection fuse (keeping it fused of course) this allow me to cut fuel injection for the first 2-3 crank then activate it and start perfectly!

BTW thank you Leafy, your answer was clear and simple and you where polite.

concealer404 02-28-2013 03:25 PM

Seems legit.


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