MKTurbo or Artech T2? Help a man save some cash.
 

Hi.
1994 miata.
Street car.
MSLabs MS3 basic.
FlowForce Injectors.

Have a gt2554r and was contacting Abe for his fab skillz.

Was going to go: bottom mount, EWG, downpipe to 3" exhaust.

When it hit me, could I go MKTurbo instead and still reach my goals and save a few bucks?

Goals:
Big mid range.
Reasonably top end.
250whp or so on E85.

Upgrade path that works to go 300-350whp on e85 with built engine/trans.

Later down the road with a TSE engine, a gt2876r. Was my current idea on ArTech stuffs.

Or with the MK set up, what am I giving up in comparison? Anything at all? Both now and in the future, spool and total power?
Especially with EWG?

Are you in a rush? MKTurbo
Can you wait months? Artech

Last I heard Abe was taking a break until next year.

Not in a rush, considering I've been "trying to boost my miata" for about 3 years now.

Just realized, the MKTurbo is an option with relatively close to my goals and be ~$500 cheaper.

I guess, I am wondering, once I got to that day of 300whp, would I regret not being Artech?

Could I get there on a T3 frame that would fit the MKturbo set up that won't suck balls?

Isn't the MK aluminized and the Artech SS. I have the top axial with the 2554R and 3" Artech and love it. I don't know how much power I'm putting down but it is instant and fun. Definitely do the BIG magma flow it is quiet and doesn't bring attention to you when you spool it up.

Artech manifolds are mild steel. Downpipe to muffler tip is SS.

Yes I meant the exhaust

I don't work exactly fast. Abe and I probably would get it done at the same time. General turn around time I want to quote is 6-8 weeks, if I don't have any orders. Of course I always have a long list of orders, so that is never actually accurate

Abe's quality is a good bit higher then mine, but you pay for that. He also does not use the big ass muffler unless you specifically request it and that adds to the cost. I believe he will use either aluminized steel or stainless depending on what you want. I only use aluminized due to trying to keep costs down.

I don't offer any sort of EWG nor will I even consider it. The upgrade path on my setups also is not as large as for Abe's. I work around a specific exhaust housing on a turbo. This limits you to the turbo that come standard and maybe 2-4 others that fit into that housing. My exhausts also don't match up to any standard points for other setups. So someone would have to do fab work to connect a new down pipe to my exhaust.

If your long term goals really are 300+whp then go with Abe. Or if you plan to track the car, as I offer no warranty once you go on track. I built my setup to be a reasonably priced to max out a stock motor. Upgradability and changing it were not in the design plans as that is not a market I want to target. I have zero issue with Abe or TSE taking all those orders and regularly tell people to go that route if they think they want more long term.

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but if you did a Trackspeed hotside with an EFR6258, you would have the same driveability as the 2554R without needing to upgrade anything when you shoot for 300-350whp later on. Buying stuff twice is rarely cheaper than buying it once.

This is not quite true, he will need to upgrade his underwear after riding around in a 350whp miata. As he will have shit his underwear during the drive.


But yes. The TSE setup is another good choice. I have one in my garage that will one day make its way onto one of my cars.

Yes, new underwear and life insurance are recommended upgrades. At least the turbo parts won't have to be changed :)

:rofl: That's what I am hoping, to be just as ridiculous as it sounds.

I want an EFR setup but I don't see it being in the cards for another year or so when some things clear up. :bang:

As I see it, the EFR is roughly $3500 once I get an exhaust for it, versus my $2000 budget, kind of doubles it.

Hence looking at the MKTurbo and a used turbo on Artech stuffs.

I mean even with my setup you will be in the $3000-4000 range to get the car done and running correctly. That includes the clutch, injectors, IC setup, MS, and wideband.

But that extra $1500-2500 will need to be purchased no matter what hot side parts you go with.

Do it once, bring lots of underwear.

and brake pads

You can buy my setup and be under your $2k budget goal and have a solid setup to make 250+whp.
I am itching for a TSE EFR kit, and can part with my setup.

GT2560R Turbo w/ $100 adjustable wastegate actuator and a $375 billet 2860 compressor wheel (should be capable of making 300+hp).
AVO cast manifold, said to spool better than FM/BEGi with FM $109 inconel studs and locking hardware.
2.5" downpipe
full FM 2.5" stainless exhaust.
oil/coolant lines etc...

sell your 2554, and you will be way under your 2k budget with a solid setup.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...380f35b7d3.jpg

That extra clutch, MS and electronics I already have going for me. Was mostly comparing hot part costs.

I do need an intercooler if there are suggestions.

I'll send you a PM to chat.

Do yourself a favor.

Save your money until youre ready to buy the TSE kit.
It will be worth it and you'll never need another turbo kit again.

Plus the potential of the added reliability may easily save you what you would have saved going a cheaper route!

I'd agree, thanks for this comment it brings up some interesting thoughts.

Anybody have info on a MKTurbo kit on e85 would do? Besides blow up my motor.

I don't think anyone has run it on e85 yet. At least no one has and told me about it.

Im pretty sure i saw someone posted in the thread using e85 / race gas with the kit and hit about 230 i believe?

edit.. found it.. 100oct. 235

So 100oct? So maybe with e85 and some anger we are real close to my 250whp goal.

Seriously eyeing the TSE EFR solution. I just don't know if I could make it happen anytime soon which sucks since I'd reakky enjoy the fruits of my current efforts.

This would be my first turbo miata, but have no intentions of moving on from this one..fuck, do it once and do it right?

Will be your personal fitness trainer for turbo, includes a diet and work regimen.

New question, 6258 or 6758 for my goals?

6258 for sure. You can safely stretch the 6258 into the low 300whp range without turning it into a hot air machine, owing to the high-boost efficiency of the compressor. The 6758 spools extremely well, but it doesn't have the ultra-crisp response of the 6258. The 6758 feels like a turbo that spools really well, but a well-done 6258 setup almost doesn't feel turbocharged at all.

5951 I really want to see that fucker when it comes out.

Hey you have my same set up in mind, can you give me some perspective of the 6258? Let's say, rolling in 3rd at around 3000rpm, and you lean into the throttle, what's the spool up like? I am building a street car above all else so that "experience" of boost is quite important to me. Not sure if that makes me crazy or not.

But I guess I don't want that crazy laggy turbo, but I can't imagine the 6758 being described as laggy on a street car, maybe on the track where that ~0.5 is crucial.

Rolling into 3rd at 3 grand you have full boost.1st and 2nd are pretty much worthless to me right now on 205s. 3rd is the first gear I can really get on it. I feel it is the best street turbo for a Miata. It spools the same as a 2554 or better with a 100 hp more on top. The 6758 is a 400hp type deal from what I read. I am sure a few street guys will give the 5951 a go whenever it finally gets released but I am super happy with my 6258. My only issue is a lack of built bottom end.

Damn sounds like I am yet another candidate for the 6258.

Any suggestion on an intercooler I can use for stock block all the way to 400hp? I've seen some precision stuff and such but nothing set in stone for me yet. Just easy to set up with a good as can be efficient as possible up to those levels.

And any suggestion for downpipe back exhaust? Thinking ArTech's price can't really be beat.

If 400 is your goal then I would go 6758. Precision or maybe the larger vibrant? I went cheap eBay. Working great so far and was super easy to mount. 275-300 is my goal someday. I don't want to pop trannies all the time.

I have yet to find an IC that tops the Precision 350hp. Something with a Garrett core might compare. I peeked at the Spearco cores at SEMA this year and they look pretty poor inside.

I've got a larger vibrant core sitting on my porch, used about a month. Lmk if you want it.