My EFR Build Planning
Started with a 1991. Currently I have it VVT swapped driven by a MS3 PNP running all NB2 sensors and wiring, 725cc EV14 injectors, stock everything else. Basically, I have all the fueling and brain ready to go for forced induction. I've also got a 6 speed with uprated clutch and flywheel, and a 3.6 torsen type II diff. My target is 225-250 RWHP with good spool.
At this point, I believe I'm ready for FI. I just placed an order for the Kraken EFR manifold and full 3" exhaust with catalytic converter, and now I'm planning on ordering my EFR 6258 and cold-side. Specifically, I was looking at: https://www.full-race.com/store/borg...fr-6258-turbo/ (supercore only with EFR V-Band) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Bor...d47f%7Ciid%3A1 That should give me a NIB EFR 6258 that matches what I need for the manifold for ~$1400 right? Are there any risks from purchasing it this way? These prices do significantly undercut other places I'm seeing. Also, I was planning on building my cold side from either https://www.siliconeintakes.com/, or just bite the bullet and pay the $600 for the flyin miata intercooling and piping kit. The singular piece nature of the flyin miata piping is appealing, but I don't want to spend that much money. Current questions/doubts:
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https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...4/#post1536337
Or get the whole turbo for ~1250 Edit, As stated further down that thread, price may have crept a bit, but can't hurt to call? |
Originally Posted by msmola2002
(Post 1546895)
https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo...4/#post1536337
Or get the whole turbo for ~1250 Edit, As stated further down that thread, price may have crept a bit, but can't hurt to call? |
Originally Posted by CasualSpeed
(Post 1546900)
I'm not really a fan of asking for "special pricing" or anything like that. If it's an advertised price, I'll buy it, but some person posting on forums to contact company ABC for a special discount is a bit too much for me. They'd have to at least be a company rep before I did that.
I was the person who setup the special EFR pricing for Miata turbo members when i got my turbo from them. and lots of others followed and purchased the turbos there. Industrial Injection is a platinum BW dealer, BW corporate referred me to them when i called complaining that i cannot find any EFR turbos in stock anywhere. If you dont want to make a phone call to save ~$ 200, Full-Race has the complete turbo for $1495. point click, buy. i think $120 is worth the piece of mind that you are getting a whole turbo with full warranty. |
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Originally Posted by borka
(Post 1546921)
So you want to mickey mouse a turbo together, and likely not have a proper warranty on it because you pieced it together yourself, but calling up a vendor and asking for the already pre negotiated Miata Turbo special pricing is too low brow for you?
I was the person who setup the special EFR pricing for Miata turbo members when i got my turbo from them. and lots of others followed and purchased the turbos there. Industrial Injection is a platinum BW dealer, BW corporate referred me to them when i called complaining that i cannot find any EFR turbos in stock anywhere. If you dont want to make a phone call to save ~$ 200, Full-Race has the complete turbo for $1495. point click, buy. i think $120 is worth the piece of mind that you are getting a whole turbo with full warranty. |
Thanks, I'll make sure to buy it put together. I haven't done this before and assumed the warranty would be unaffected because doing the install may require you to adjust the housing to ensure proper alignment of the fluid pathways. At least, I thought it might. Since you say it's a big risk and I'd be "Mickey mousing" it if I did, I'll stick to buying the full unit.
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1546928)
Industrial Injections price has gone up a ton. I talked to Gavin a few weeks ago and 6258 prices were $200 more then back in June.
They will price match a valid website Here is one for $1383. Still a good deal https://thmotorsports.com/10526673-b...0aAr9XEALw_wcB
Originally Posted by CasualSpeed
(Post 1546929)
Thanks, I'll make sure to buy it put together. I haven't done this before and assumed the warranty would be unaffected because doing the install may require you to adjust the housing to ensure proper alignment of the fluid pathways. At least, I thought it might. Since you say it's a big risk and I'd be "Mickey mousing" it if I did, I'll stick to buying the full unit.
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If you are dealing with Full Race, remember they have M8 and M10 inconel studs and hardware for sale for the hotside and they are reasonable.
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To answer your other questions
You don't need speed sensor Built in ebc and bov is fine. I'm using the turbo as it came with 17 psi and 309hp. I got the medium spring iwg. Gives me 10-11 psi 250hp wastegate only, and 309hp at 17 psi. Stock bov whistles a bit when cruising around not boosting, a bit annoying. BW sells a different spring to solve this. My kraken kit came with oil and water lines, has he stopped including the lines? |
Originally Posted by borka
(Post 1546931)
I'm this case you need to have Gavin price match some one else, a member here had gavin price match jegs.com when they had this turbo for $1190 or so.
They will price match a valid website Here is one for $1383. Still a good deal https://thmotorsports.com/10526673-b...0aAr9XEALw_wcB |
$1390 is still the best price around. And gavin has them in stock, unlike every other website that quotes months of wait.
I still think that $1190 pricematch was an error on jegs website, they had the super core price with a full turbo part number. I see they fixed it now and it's back to msrp of $1750 like it should be. And in 2+ years, I have never seen jegs actually have anything bw in stock. Always a 2 month wait, then the clock resets again to another wait. |
I bought the Kraken kit at the time I did because it looked like he dropped the pricing on it, but unfortunately it looks like he is no longer including the oil/water lines. Inconel studs with copper nuts are still included, but the EFR V-band clamp is not.
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One item that's come up: how should I manage engine bay temps?
Should I get the manifold, turbo's turbine housing, and downpipe ceramic coated? I know that'll keep engine bay temps fine, but will that lead to premature wear/warping of the parts? I want to get a setup that will be fine for semi-daily usage for years. If I wanted to DIY my own heat shield, is there a miata specific guide to follow? |
pretty easy to fab up something simple. here are the parts I made. They are ..less simple. also willing to part with them, they dont fit my current system. turbo heat shield, and a big aluminum divider to keep hot air out of the intake, AMAP.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...100d46635e.png https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ed92e4a29d.png https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...ba5bd856d6.png |
How does that mount? It looks like it's connected to both the turbine housing and the engine bay, but I thought under load those two points can move in relation to each other as the engine mounts can flex.
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Originally Posted by CasualSpeed
(Post 1547166)
How does that mount? It looks like it's connected to both the turbine housing and the engine bay, but I thought under load those two points can move in relation to each other as the engine mounts can flex.
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Awesome. I can make something like that (I think). Thanks.
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You can buy the heat shield from FM it fits perfectly with kraken efr setup. I'm running it.
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Originally Posted by borka
(Post 1547180)
You can buy the heat shield from FM it fits perfectly with kraken efr setup. I'm running it.
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