NC turbo builds?
10-15-2018, 05:33 AM
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NC turbo builds?
Where are all the NC turbo builds?
What sort of power are people making reliably on stock internals?
I'm thinking about buying a 2.0 sport NC1 for some more civilised road trips with my son and i know the naturally aspirated 160 bhp is just not going to do it for me.
What sort of power are people making reliably on stock internals?
I'm thinking about buying a 2.0 sport NC1 for some more civilised road trips with my son and i know the naturally aspirated 160 bhp is just not going to do it for me.
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10-15-2018, 06:12 PM
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Have you driven one? 160hp is plenty to cruise around on road trips and hwys.
nc's are not a popular platform to turbo, a few builds exist mostly on miata.net and most use fab9 tuning stuff.
nc's are not a popular platform to turbo, a few builds exist mostly on miata.net and most use fab9 tuning stuff.
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10-15-2018, 07:56 PM
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One of the first people to turbo a NC goes by "Guy" on here I believe. He should have a build thread. Was about 10 years ago now I think. The big issue is that up until recently DIY tuning has been a good bit beyond the reach of the home consumer. There are a few remote tuners who tune stock NC ECU's. They don't tend to share knowledge and make iffy statements sometimes on forums. So building turbo hardware without the ECU is a bit of an issue. Then you have that the NC was just not a very loved platform by consumers and the aftermarket. It is slowly getting better, but its still is not great. The ND is a far more inspiring car to the aftermarket crowd so that is where R&D is being done.
Seeps on miata.net has a good thread on DIY tuning. I would start and figure that out.
One of these days I will stumble upon a cheap enough NC. One of these days.
Seeps on miata.net has a good thread on DIY tuning. I would start and figure that out.
One of these days I will stumble upon a cheap enough NC. One of these days.
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10-15-2018, 09:56 PM
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Oil starvation is a thing in nc's too.
I once tried tuning nc's. Bought a cable and all .Once the local sub-dealer of ecutek knew about it, they blocked me of using my stuff. There's a terrible monopoly on tuning nc's, and ecutek dealers are afraid of competition.
They lock tunes and share little to no knowledge on the forums.
I once tried tuning nc's. Bought a cable and all .Once the local sub-dealer of ecutek knew about it, they blocked me of using my stuff. There's a terrible monopoly on tuning nc's, and ecutek dealers are afraid of competition.
They lock tunes and share little to no knowledge on the forums.
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10-16-2018, 09:04 AM
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My issue with the NC are two fold
- Turbo manifold options (I would prefer a twin scroll B2 frame on a 2.5)
- ECU. This in and of it self is the largest hurdle which steers me clear of a NC. A turbo manifold can be fabbed up. A emissions friendly ECU (OBD county) or tuning the stock ECU (apart from the single manufacturer) is borderline non-existent.
If there was some proper investment by the aftermarket, One wouldn't need to buy a ~6K turbo kit from Fab9 (or you can ping them to sell just the manifold, however, they only sell a V-band option....)
I haven't look into a turbo NC option in over a year, but chances are not much has changed.
- Turbo manifold options (I would prefer a twin scroll B2 frame on a 2.5)
- ECU. This in and of it self is the largest hurdle which steers me clear of a NC. A turbo manifold can be fabbed up. A emissions friendly ECU (OBD county) or tuning the stock ECU (apart from the single manufacturer) is borderline non-existent.
If there was some proper investment by the aftermarket, One wouldn't need to buy a ~6K turbo kit from Fab9 (or you can ping them to sell just the manifold, however, they only sell a V-band option....)
I haven't look into a turbo NC option in over a year, but chances are not much has changed.
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10-16-2018, 09:23 AM
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P.S Not sure if people will agree or disagree with me, but the NC chassis is leaps and bounds above the NA/NB chassis in terms of everything. Yeah, its slightly heavier, but the suspension geometry, fairly stout drivetrain (the later gearboxes were good for 300+ ft lbs at the wheels), a massive increase in chassis rigidity and better overall ergonomics (I am 6'3 and fit very comfortably in the standard seats).
The market crash when they came out was sort of a death blow :(
The market crash when they came out was sort of a death blow :(
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10-16-2018, 09:30 AM
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My issue with the NC are two fold
- Turbo manifold options (I would prefer a twin scroll B2 frame on a 2.5)
- ECU. This in and of it self is the largest hurdle which steers me clear of a NC. A turbo manifold can be fabbed up. A emissions friendly ECU (OBD county) or tuning the stock ECU (apart from the single manufacturer) is borderline non-existent.
If there was some proper investment by the aftermarket, One wouldn't need to buy a ~6K turbo kit from Fab9 (or you can ping them to sell just the manifold, however, they only sell a V-band option....)
I haven't look into a turbo NC option in over a year, but chances are not much has changed.
- Turbo manifold options (I would prefer a twin scroll B2 frame on a 2.5)
- ECU. This in and of it self is the largest hurdle which steers me clear of a NC. A turbo manifold can be fabbed up. A emissions friendly ECU (OBD county) or tuning the stock ECU (apart from the single manufacturer) is borderline non-existent.
If there was some proper investment by the aftermarket, One wouldn't need to buy a ~6K turbo kit from Fab9 (or you can ping them to sell just the manifold, however, they only sell a V-band option....)
I haven't look into a turbo NC option in over a year, but chances are not much has changed.
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10-16-2018, 10:23 AM
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From what I understand no major changes between 2.0 and 2.5 engine for turbo hardware.
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10-16-2018, 10:50 AM
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I'm actually toying with the idea of an MZR swap in my NA with plans to turbo down the road. Interested in how much power they can take. MZR swap with a turbo is just about the only route I can see to keep a RWD Mazda drivetrain for Street (GTA) or Street Mod (GL)
FYI, Haltech Elite 1500 will now support the full factory CAN output of the NC's OEM ECU making it an option for true standalone duty in an NC. All that's left is manufacturing your own PnP adapter out of a cannibalized OEM ECU.
FYI, Haltech Elite 1500 will now support the full factory CAN output of the NC's OEM ECU making it an option for true standalone duty in an NC. All that's left is manufacturing your own PnP adapter out of a cannibalized OEM ECU.
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10-16-2018, 10:57 AM
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I would love to get my hands on one of the MZR-R engines. With Indy lights kicking the bucket, I wonder how long before they pop up?? Anyways.....
I'm actually toying with the idea of an MZR swap in my NA with plans to turbo down the road. Interested in how much power they can take. MZR swap with a turbo is just about the only route I can see to keep a RWD Mazda drivetrain for Street (GTA) or Street Mod (GL)
FYI, Haltech Elite 1500 will now support the full factory CAN output of the NC's OEM ECU making it an option for true standalone duty in an NC. All that's left is manufacturing your own PnP adapter out of a cannibalized OEM ECU.
FYI, Haltech Elite 1500 will now support the full factory CAN output of the NC's OEM ECU making it an option for true standalone duty in an NC. All that's left is manufacturing your own PnP adapter out of a cannibalized OEM ECU.
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10-16-2018, 01:35 PM
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The idea for the NC was to be a comfy GT car.
I already have a turbo NA which is lots of fun but I don’t fit in it well (6’4”)and cruising at 70mph the motor is buzzing along at 4K rpm. It’s just not suitable for covering big miles.
I already have a turbo NA which is lots of fun but I don’t fit in it well (6’4”)and cruising at 70mph the motor is buzzing along at 4K rpm. It’s just not suitable for covering big miles.
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