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G Rat 12-29-2009 08:46 AM

new install; vacuum issues?
 
Installed a greddy turbo and other hardware this past weekend (see stuff in my sig for details of my setup). Installation went smoothly, but my knuckles would say otherwise. I had an idle issue at first startup, but reason was apparant in a vacuum leak between the BOV and IM (loose air hose). The car then idled fine. I have driven the car a couple times this week and have been careful not to boost (I lied, boosted twice to 4psi).

What are your thoughts on this? --> When letting off the gas (blipping gas in the driveway, or stopping in neutral for a light), the RPMs will fall but will stay around 1700-2200 RPM and fall a few hundred RPM then raise back, then fall again, and repeats this cycle a few times before stabilizing. It eventually falls back and idles at 900RPM. I'm thinking I still have a vacuum leak somewhere. Listening closely to all the airline tubing joints and connections, I hear a hiss from the MBC. Is that a normal characteristic of a MBC? Any other ideas?

I have an EMB ready to go, along with autotune and 02 clamp, and 310cc injectors, that I will install after I fix this problem.

dustinb 12-29-2009 10:20 AM

Sounds like a vacuum leak to me.

r808 12-29-2009 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by G Rat (Post 501416)
What are your thoughts on this?

I've read that running a BOV with a mass air meter is a terrible idea because of the driveability issues it creates. But people can't resist the rice.

p51hellfire 12-29-2009 10:29 AM

ok hyper!! :jerkit:

webby459 12-29-2009 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by r808 (Post 501456)
I've read that running a BOV with a mass air meter is a terrible idea because of the driveability issues it creates. But people can't resist the rice.

Um, bov needs to be vented back into the intake tract, right?

G Rat 12-29-2009 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by p51hellfire (Post 501463)
ok hyper!! :jerkit:

I'm not sure what hyper means in the context of this thread, but ok. I'll check for vacuum leaks again later and report back.

shlammed 12-29-2009 10:54 AM

thats what happened to my last turbo car running atmospheric bov with a maf.

try unhooking your bov and blocking its vac line... just for a second.

if it is the problem, and it happens alot you will go through a set of spark plugs in a week from running so rich in those conditions.

G Rat 12-29-2009 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by shlammed (Post 501498)
thats what happened to my last turbo car running atmospheric bov with a maf.

try unhooking your bov and blocking its vac line... just for a second.

if it is the problem, and it happens alot you will go through a set of spark plugs in a week from running so rich in those conditions.

Thanks. I'll give that a try.

dustinb 12-29-2009 11:41 AM

If you have a Bosch blow off valve, then it should actually be a recirculating valve. If it has an outlet like this then you just need to get an inlet installed on your hot side pipe, and then hook the two up with a rubber hose:
http://d5otzd52uv6zz.cloudfront.net/...3816a6-350.jpg

G Rat 12-29-2009 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by dustinb (Post 501544)
If you have a Bosch blow off valve, then it should actually be a recirculating valve. If it has an outlet like this then you just need to get an inlet installed on your hot side pipe, and then hook the two up with a rubber hose:
http://d5otzd52uv6zz.cloudfront.net/...3816a6-350.jpg

It is a recirculating valve. So on the hot side pipe? The pipe leading from the IC to the IM has a mounting hole for the BOV, which is where it is at presently..

dustinb 12-29-2009 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by G Rat (Post 501550)
It is a recirculating valve. So on the hot side pipe? The pipe leading from the IC to the IM has a mounting hole for the BOV, which is where it is at presently..

The BOV should be mounted on the cold side as close to the throttle body as possible, the recirculating side of it should be he hooked up somewhere after your air flow meter.

r808 12-29-2009 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by webby459 (Post 501468)
Um, bov needs to be vented back into the intake tract, right?

Yeah I meant bad idea for a vent to air setup.

buffon01 12-29-2009 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by r808 (Post 501777)
Yeah I meant bad idea for a vent to air setup.

unless you have a standalone

G Rat 12-30-2009 08:03 AM

I removed the BOV last night, vacuum issues completely gone. Took it out for a quick spin - hell yeah. Next is to get the EMB and 02 sensor installed. Thanks everyone.

buffon01 12-30-2009 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by G Rat (Post 501976)
I removed the BOV last night, vacuum issues completely gone...

Eventually you are going to need a BOV. Also I know there has been ppl that have had compressor surge even at 6psi.

G Rat 12-30-2009 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by buffon01 (Post 502033)
Eventually you are going to need a BOV. Also I know there has been ppl that have had compressor surge even at 6psi.

There is a capped tube between the MAF and turbo, I'll run a tube from the output of the BOV to there when I get a chance this weekend.

buffon01 12-30-2009 10:08 AM

Oh ok, also all I saw in your sig is FPR, are you planning on getting any real engine management??

G Rat 12-30-2009 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by buffon01 (Post 502043)
Oh ok, also all I saw in your sig is FPR, are you planning on getting any real engine management??

I'm a newbie to engine management, having only used a bandaid voodoo box for my old FM turbo. I'd like to just get the EMB sorted in the car first (and learn the greddy software) before moving on to a GM 3 bar sensor and wideband 02 sensor (both of which I already have). The EMB is ready to go (including ignition/injector harness), I soldered the connections in the ECU for easy PNP to the factory wiring harness.


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