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sixshooter 04-08-2011 03:34 PM

Normal vs. Divided Turbine Housings Discussion
 
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There has been some discussion about the possible benefits of using divided turbine housings lately and I wanted to dedicate a thread to the topic for the ease of future searching. I have been reading about them lately and wanted to share a bit.

Please add your own sources of information on the subject as you encounter them.


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I knew the divided housings provided better spool, but didn't realize there was a penalty on the top end due to additional drag from increased surface area. I wonder if our little engines could push enough exhaust volume for the high end restriction to even be a problem?




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I also didn't realize the two inlets were introduced 180* out from each other inside the housing.




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This says that it helps to reduce cylinder to cylinder pulse interference. I was thinking that this would be more important on an engine that had six or more cylinders than one with just four, but that at higher RPMs it would easily be conceivable that the pulses from one and four would be heading straight toward each other in a log type manifold and meet somewhere in the middle. Obviously this would be less of a problem when using a tubular merging-type collector, and no one would use a log with a divided turbine housing.

Thoughts? Additions?

hustler 04-08-2011 04:28 PM

I'm here for the turbulent, high-speed, twin entry.

fooger03 04-08-2011 04:47 PM

If there's a penalty with high RPM use, but a significant gain in low RPM use, one could simply overcome the high RPM use penalty with a slightly larger turbocharger?

This might make the boost threshold/low RPM spool equal (no advantage for either) and at high rpm, the twin scroll would produce more power?

miatauser884 04-08-2011 05:13 PM



in for info even though i have a log manifold.

1slowna 04-08-2011 05:41 PM

i highly doubt twinscrolls are going to outperform a single scroll turbo with tial v-band housing and the same chra and compressor, however ima stick around and learn something new.

fooger03 04-08-2011 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by 1slowna (Post 712055)
i highly doubt twinscrolls are going to outperform a single scroll turbo with tial v-band housing and the same chra and compressor, however ima stick around and learn something new.

People that get paid LOTS of money (to conduct tests to find out what works) disagree with you.

skidude 04-08-2011 06:48 PM

I like these things. Not enough to go buy one, but someday maybe.

Faeflora 04-08-2011 07:02 PM

Penis.

I am buying a motherfucking new turbo with a .888 undivided housing. I am also going to buy a .91 divided housing. I will log them bitches so hard that that that I will have spool statistics and other things. The divided housing will be for a quick spool valve, assuming I can find one for something less that a ridiculous price.

fooger03 04-08-2011 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 712086)
Penis.

I am buying a motherfucking new turbo with a .888 undivided housing. I am also going to buy a .91 divided housing. I will log them bitches so hard that that that I will have spool statistics and other things. The divided housing will be for a quick spool valve, assuming I can find one for something less that a ridiculous price.

I bet you won't.

Faeflora 04-08-2011 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 712093)
I bet you won't.

Nyah I bet I will

And bytw I am only talkign about sound performance QSVs.

I already found one for $200 but it had already been sold. sniff

sixshooter 04-08-2011 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 712098)
Nyah I bet I will

<Interested in the results.

TURNS101 04-28-2011 06:43 PM

I am working on an interesting project with turbo by Garrett with a twin scroll set up. Should be pretty awesome. I will post when it is finished. Looking to be around 450rwhp 400ftlbs..

flounder 04-28-2011 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 712034)
I'm here for the turbulent, high-speed, twin entry.

DP anyone? :giggle:

jtothawhat 04-28-2011 08:40 PM

I'm getting my T4 twin scroll manifold built now, I will keep everyone updated.

Faeflora 04-28-2011 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by 1slowna (Post 712055)
i highly doubt twinscrolls are going to outperform a single scroll turbo with tial v-band housing and the same chra and compressor, however ima stick around and learn something new.

This is such fucking bullshit. Go fuck yourself.



Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 712093)
I bet you won't.


I did. The turbo is in the car right now. Sitting in the passenger's seat. Quick spool valve is on the way. It will spank the fuck out of lag. .45 A/R for the spool win.



Originally Posted by TURNS101 (Post 720756)
I am working on an interesting project with turbo by Garrett with a twin scroll set up. Should be pretty awesome. I will post when it is finished. Looking to be around 450rwhp 400ftlbs..

Moar details? What turbo? What car/engine?

kotomile 04-28-2011 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by fooger03 (Post 712036)
If there's a penalty with high RPM use, but a significant gain in low RPM use, one could simply overcome the high RPM use penalty with a slightly larger turbocharger?

This might make the boost threshold/low RPM spool equal (no advantage for either) and at high rpm, the twin scroll would produce more power?

Isn't that what everybody does anyway?

The first example in the OP assumes that one isn't simply using a larger twin scroll than the single scroll they would otherwise use, and assumes that the reader gives a flying shit about static, industrial applications. :giggle:

1slowna 04-29-2011 01:50 AM

I guess il go fuck myself since i have seen, in person more cars making bigger numbers with single scroll turbos? i said i was here to learn somehting new, stop being such a fucking dickhead.

for the record i hope it works fantastic, i would love to see miata with a nice twinscroll setup making good power. There is no reason i cannot b optimistic though.

kotomile 04-29-2011 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by 1slowna (Post 720897)
i have seen, in person more cars with single scroll turbos.

ftfy, and cool story bro.

Faeflora 04-29-2011 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by 1slowna (Post 720897)
I guess il go fuck myself since i have seen, in person more cars making bigger numbers with single scroll turbos? i said i was here to learn somehting new, stop being such a fucking dickhead.

for the record i hope it works fantastic, i would love to see miata with a nice twinscroll setup making good power. There is no reason i cannot b optimistic though.

Snuggles.


Causation does not necessarily equal correlation.

sixshooter 04-29-2011 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 720946)
Causation does not necessarily equal correlation.

Or something like that.


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