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btabor 12-22-2014 05:01 PM

Oscillating boost when reaching boost target
 
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I don't know if this is normal but I have my target boost set up at around 8-9psi using a MBC and 5.8psi EWG spring. You can see on my log that boost initially oscillates and spikes more than I would like it to. On this log it went up to 168kpa and then it tappers to 150-155 kpa. Ultimately my goal is to run 180kpa across the board but I am afraid that when I start reaching target boost the wastegate spring will oscillate and boost will spike to 190-200kpa.

What can be done for boost to be more gradual without going up and down? Maybe this is normal...

The red line on the top graph is KPA, white is RPM

18psi 12-22-2014 05:19 PM

I've had this happen on a friends msm. Is the oscillation visible on the boost gauge?

btabor 12-22-2014 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1191286)
I've had this happen on a friends msm. Is the oscillation visible on the boost gauge?

I haven't actually looked at the boost gauge, but I don't think it moves around, its an old jackson racing gauge and I wonder if its even accurate, I just go by the logs. The MS vacuum source is to the back of the intake manifold. I have the wastegate source coming from the intercooler outlet about 4 inches from the throttle body.
The MBC is a cheap NSX one, I took it apart and I have my doubts about the cheap looking spring in it.
I am trying to decide if I should buy another MBC (High Perfomance Boost Controller - TurboXS)
or install a 11.6psi Tial spring and be done with it

Braineack 12-22-2014 07:23 PM

where's the boost source EXACTLY?

btabor 12-22-2014 08:34 PM

The ms source is next to the fpr on the original fpr source nipple.
The boost source is on the end tank of the intercooler. I have a water to air cooler so that makes the end of the intercooler about 4 inches from the throttle body

Braineack 12-23-2014 07:12 AM

looking again, it's not just your boost signal that's noisey fwiw.

btabor 12-23-2014 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1191392)
looking again, it's not just your boost signal that's noisey fwiw.

What do you sugest I do? The wide band is grounded to te back of the head by itself to one of the holes were the coil pack was bolted to before having cops. Before that I was grounded to the ground by the fpr. The ms vacuum surce it's on the recomended location.

Braineack 12-23-2014 08:47 AM

yeah actually, your o2 is pretty stable. your MAT and CLT is also stable, so looks like the spark and fuel is reacting to the MAP Signal.

typically the fpr source is a very clean signal. Id suggest trying a little fuel filter on the line to dampen it.

18psi 12-23-2014 09:11 AM

do you have the higher wg spring? I'd eliminate the variables by taking the mbc out of the equation

btabor 12-23-2014 10:30 AM

no mbc
 
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Here is a log with he 5.8psi spring and no MBC.

btabor 12-29-2014 07:36 PM

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Thanks to Braineack, I added an inline fuel filter to my MAP vacuum source to the MS, the graph looks much much better.
Also, I want to add...I'm proud of my stock 1.6L and journal bearing T25 making 8psi at 2960rpms!

Braineack 12-30-2014 07:59 AM

yeah that looks typical now.


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