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ZX-Tex 02-19-2009 11:54 AM

And that illustrates another aspect of the anti-surge housing. The inlet is HUGE. On the GT2871 I am looking at it is 4" dia. and could be a problem.

y8s 02-19-2009 12:08 PM

huge is awesome.

steph, can you make anti-surge holes for, say, a 2876 compressor housing?

http://gallery.y8s.com/d/437-3/gt25_86ar_02.jpg

JKav 02-19-2009 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by ZX-Tex (Post 370885)
^^Are you talking about surge due to not using a BOV on a WRX? If so, I have always planned to use a BOV regardless of whether I use the anti-surge housing or not. I am using one now.

The 2871 surges (mildly) on a WRX equipped with a BOV. During spoolup, surge doesn't care whether or not you have a BOV anyway.

Braineack 02-19-2009 12:37 PM

no issues with a 2871 on a 1.6L, i'd assume the same on a 1.8L.

JKav 02-19-2009 12:56 PM

How much boost on the 1.6?

Braineack 02-19-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JKav (Post 371017)
How much boost on the 1.6?

17ish.

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ZX-Tex 02-19-2009 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by JKav (Post 370990)
The 2871 surges (mildly) on a WRX equipped with a BOV. During spoolup, surge doesn't care whether or not you have a BOV anyway.

I agree, that is why I asked :) Thanks for the clarification.

ZX-Tex 02-19-2009 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 370994)
no issues with a 2871 on a 1.6L, i'd assume the same on a 1.8L.

Thanks Brain. Yeah if anything I would think it would be less likely on a 1.8L.

ZX-Tex 02-19-2009 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 370976)
huge is awesome.

Yeah normally I would agree. That big nozzle should help airflow. But the problem is the S4 manifold shifts the turbo inlet downward quite a bit, so there is possible interference with the a/c and/or PS. Fortunately I have depowered the PS so that is no longer an issue. Just the a/c belt tensioner will be there which is a lot smaller and further toward the front of the engine.

And before the whole a/c debate thing starts, no I am not ditching the a/c :fawk:

cjernigan 02-19-2009 03:39 PM

You could always use a 3"-4" coupler to use 3" tubing which will allow for easier intake path routing. Y8s has a HUGE intake, I love the way it looks but a complex routing for a cold air box with 4" tubing would be tough.

ZX-Tex 02-19-2009 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by cjernigan (Post 371102)
You could always use a 3"-4" coupler to use 3" tubing which will allow for easier intake path routing. Y8s has a HUGE intake, I love the way it looks but a complex routing for a cold air box with 4" tubing would be tough.

If I get the 4" inlet that is what I was thinking, probably a 4"-3" 90 deg silicone bending reducer right at the compressor inlet. Silicone Intakes has them.

Braineack 02-19-2009 05:16 PM

so much for velocity...

ZX-Tex 02-19-2009 05:24 PM

If you mean from the elbow, not really. It is such a large cross-section there will probably not be much head loss through there.

thagr81 us 02-20-2009 03:08 PM

I think he was talking about the inlet velocity of air. As you increase the diameter of the path the air travels, the velocity slows down as well. Vice-versa happens when you make the inlet smaller. Yay physics/fluid dynamics! However, the difference will be barely measureable so I wouldn't worry about it...

Braineack 02-20-2009 03:54 PM

Exactly. Going from a 3" intake tube and a small transition to 4" just before shrinking down to your 2" inducer has got to do some interesting things.

a 4" 90° is all you need:

http://gallery.y8s.com/d/17058-2/DSC02751.JPG

y8s 02-20-2009 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 371626)
Exactly. Going from a 3" intake tube and a small transition to 4" just before shrinking down to your 2" inducer has got to do some interesting things.

a 4" 90° is all you need:

http://gallery.y8s.com/d/17058-2/DSC02751.JPG

actually that pic is old. I have a new cell phone now.

ZX-Tex 02-20-2009 06:57 PM

well no actually I need to get down to 3" eventually for the CAI so I can incorporate both transitions into one.

I think the flow regime will be fine and will not amount to more than a minor loss by my calcs. I am more concerned about the clearance.

EDIT: Sorry I was traveling on business and did not have full access where I could see the picture above. That helps, thanks. After looking at yours, and looking more at the BEGI S4 system picts, I think it would fit with the 4" inlet if I use a 90 deg bend.


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