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spestis 03-25-2012 08:31 AM

Power falls off at 6800 RPM 18 psi 2871R
 
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My car seems to roll off power hard after 6800 rpm in low boost (10 psi) and high boost (18 psi) Is this a problem with the stock igniter? Does anyone else have problems dropping off power at this RPM?

92 Miata
Link ECU (rev limit set at 7200)
E-85
850cc injectors
Built 94 bottom end / 99 head and intake manifold
GT2871R
Stock igniter
Toyota COP
~18 PSI

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Data Log Lab MAP File
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Engine Size: 1.8
Chip Date: 2001-09-18
Chip Version: 2
Atmospheric Pressure: 100

Faeflora 03-25-2012 11:47 AM

Wow that is quite significant. In for the answer.

Bond 03-25-2012 11:56 AM

3'' Exhaust?

spestis 03-25-2012 12:43 PM

Yes, It has a full 3" exhaust. And a .68 a/r turbine housing. Also its a genuine garrett GT2871r.

http://www.stanlevine.com/Miata/Album8.htm

18psi 03-25-2012 12:48 PM

What are you using for boost control and where is it getting its signal?

Faeflora 03-25-2012 01:03 PM

Does it feel like power fails on the street too?

spestis 03-25-2012 01:09 PM

I'm using a manual Hallman boost controller off the compressor housing. It does not feel like its falling off power on the street; however there is a lot going on ie. open wastegate, high rpm, just before I shift.

Faeflora 03-25-2012 01:22 PM

Post a log of a street pull with boost logged.

shuiend 03-25-2012 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by spestis (Post 853464)
Yes, It has a full 3" exhaust. And a .68 a/r turbine housing. Also its a genuine garrett GT2871r.

http://www.stanlevine.com/Miata/Album8.htm

Did you mean .64 A/R? Could you give us the exact model number for your turbo?

18psi 03-25-2012 01:38 PM

run your boost line off the manifold and not the turbo.

spestis 03-25-2012 05:20 PM

I don't think the drop in power is from a loss in boost. In the dyno chart you can see boost raise up as power falls off. More like there is some restriction in the system.

Faeflora 03-25-2012 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by spestis (Post 853585)
I don't think the drop in power is from a loss in boost. In the dyno chart you can see boost raise up as power falls off. More like there is some restriction in the system.

Restriction as in you stuffed a melon in your plenum?

18psi 03-25-2012 05:24 PM

Doubt you're having weak spark with the toyota cops. And you'd get misfires/blowout if you did. Look at the boost curve: it sags a good bit then shoots up towards the very end: doesn't look good to me, even if that's not your torque taper problem.

what does your timing map look like?

spestis 03-25-2012 05:56 PM

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My thought was maybe the Link ecu and stock ignitor are having problems after 6800 rpm. You are correct if it was igntion I should feel the car break up.

Timing Chart Below KPA / RPM

18psi 03-25-2012 06:17 PM

well the timing is fairly ballsy, so its not the timing. lol
are you seriously running 30* @ 200 kpa or am I reading that wrong?

Savington 03-25-2012 06:26 PM

Are you using the factory ignitor AND the Toyota COPs in tandem? The Toyota coils have on-board ignitors.

spestis 03-25-2012 08:09 PM

Good call, the chart was incorrect. I posted the correct timing chart above. I forgot my stock ignitor box was gutted. I have not worked on my car in around 3 years.

samwu8k 03-25-2012 08:40 PM

perhaps its too much timing up top. then again...ur making alot of power maybe its time to look into getting cams.

Faeflora 03-25-2012 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by samwu8k (Post 853665)
perhaps its too much timing up top. then again...ur making alot of power maybe its time to look into getting cams.


You are wrong.

spestis 04-04-2012 12:02 PM

Update: I did find the problem. The dynos RPM numbers are off and the power drop signature is the Link ECU hitting the rev limit (at 7200 rpm). The Link drops the timing to 0 deg. just before the rev limit and that is why the power falls off. The dyno was off by several hundred RPM.


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