Enlarge holes? Alien births? Chopped yours up? Whats all this?
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Originally Posted by Ds1
(Post 1170629)
Enlarge holes? Alien births? Chopped yours up? Whats all this?
Sounds like my Friday night. I can't wait. |
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My local supplier gets better discount for turbosmart than for forge. Anyone see any glaring problems with Turbosmart Vee Port Pro? It sounds ok on youtube...
Vee Port PRO BOVs |
And comments on this: leaking under partial boost?
SI #10 |
Cruise leaks is not uncommon. My forge leaks between 60-80kpa however once i get to 80kpa it shuts closed again while under that the secondary white valve keeps it from leaking.
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Cruise is a bit different though, since you really aren't using the turbo at all. My issue is that the eBay BOV won't close until like 4,000RPM's even at WOT most times.
Forge will be here Thursday. Stoked. |
Kinda sorta related. I have this old FM Bov. Anyone know much about it? It seems to work well for all the different setups I've had on it but I haven't tried anything else and can't tell if it leaks because it's currently in my fender. I prefer little spring pressure so it vents as much as possible therefore open at idle but I run a filter on the open at idle side. Should I buy something new? Am I loosing 100 hp running this?! it's so quiet.
I've taken it apart a few times and rehoned the ID so it still slides smoooooth as butter. http://rs192.pbsrc.com/albums/z146/f...e40c1.jpg~c200 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ve-fm-bov1-jpg https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1325715660 |
Isn't that just an FM-badged GFB?
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It very well could be, I still don't know if it's 'bad' or why. Seems to be fine but I'm missing something, like:
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1169647)
I was gonna say: on some cars you actually want it open at idle.
Our cars are not those cars though, we ditch the maf as the 1st order of business :party: On our man cars you'd want it open at idle, no? This is why I like my FM with it's filter and why I haven't gone with a tial Q. |
Originally Posted by Chiburbian
(Post 1171104)
My local supplier gets better discount for turbosmart than for forge. Anyone see any glaring problems with Turbosmart Vee Port Pro? It sounds ok on youtube...
Vee Port PRO BOVs |
So I got my Forge today. STOKED. Put it on. Massive compressor surge.... Opened it up... sent me the yellow spring instead of lighter green one. Ugh. Called. New one is on its way.
This brings me to the question: what spring do you guys use on the idle side, to keep it closed during idle? I have red, yellow, blue, green, and the stock one in it which is very light. Idle did seem to be much different as soon as I installed the new valve over the old China one so I'm assuming its either sealing a lot better or leaking a lot better, but don't know how to test it hahaha. |
Originally Posted by TurboTim
(Post 1171476)
Huh? If you had a maf you'd want that shit closed so you aren't venting the MAF'ed air out.
On our man cars you'd want it open at idle, no? This is why I like my FM with it's filter and why I haven't gone with a tial Q.
Originally Posted by Ds1
(Post 1172461)
So I got my Forge today. STOKED. Put it on. Massive compressor surge.... Opened it up... sent me the yellow spring instead of lighter green one. Ugh. Called. New one is on its way.
This brings me to the question: what spring do you guys use on the idle side, to keep it closed during idle? I have red, yellow, blue, green, and the stock one in it which is very light. Idle did seem to be much different as soon as I installed the new valve over the old China one so I'm assuming its either sealing a lot better or leaking a lot better, but don't know how to test it hahaha. 1-put in softest spring 2-observe if its open at idle 3-replace spring with stiffer one until it doesn't, without making it surge like crazy 4-???? 5-Profit On MS controlled miata's I've actually had much better luck maintaining a rock solid idle with the bov not open at idle. I don't think there's a drastic difference either way, just my preference. I know some people swear by having it closed at idle. |
Umm you want the main valve to be open at idle.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1172466)
you're not venting it out, it goes back to the inlet after the maf and right before the turbo. the stocker actually opens at idle a little too, I think its to keep the car happy and not surging when letting off (that roughness for a split second right after easing off the throttle when the bov goes between open/closed a few times)
TEST: 1-put in softest spring 2-observe if its open at idle 3-replace spring with stiffer one until it doesn't, without making it surge like crazy 4-???? 5-Profit On MS controlled miata's I've actually had much better luck maintaining a rock solid idle with the bov not open at idle. I don't think there's a drastic difference either way, just my preference. I know some people swear by having it closed at idle. On my Mitsubishi BOV, open at idle, I put a plastic bag on it at idle and it neither inflated nor pulled into the filter. AND all of this is occurring upstream of the throttle and AIC valve. |
At idle you want maximum vacuum. with it closed you get maximum vacuum.
Its likely not a big difference, I'm just sharing what worked for me. |
Interesting. I would think logically it should be closed. I've never used a 2 stage BOV so I didn't know if there was a process like "tune this then that" or anything, thats all. I'll just screw with it.
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its not two stage
its just dual piston. so even with the softest piston it should still remain closed at idle. so you will likely be ok even with the softest spring |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1172489)
its not two stage
its just dual piston. so even with the softest piston it should still remain closed at idle. so you will likely be ok even with the softest spring In my case using the MAF still, anything not through the MAF is air not accounted for. Once I got my greddy fv, I re-tuned the idle and its butta at 14.7 afr & no more crap idle. Follow 18's test recommendation, you'll be set in no time. |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1171398)
Isn't that just an FM-badged GFB?
I had that FM valve on my original kit (2002-vintage 2-cat 99 CARB-approved kit w/ Link Piggyback). It's huge, much bigger than the GFB valve that came when I upgraded to the modern FM2 hardware a couple years ago. The old FM valve was dual port -- if the piston moved a little bit, then it opened the recirculation port (the one with a flange on it), but if it moved a lot then it opened up a second port on the other side that did VTA. It didn't leak through the VTA port at idle, so didn't piss off cars that still had the stock ECU with the MAF hooked up (like with the Link Piggy). Aside from being huge and comparatively heavy, the main downside was that the recirc port flange was not retained very well and had a tendency to come off. It was basically pressed into the housing with a few punched retaining points around the circumference, but mine kept coming apart. I eventually JB welded it on. --Ian |
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