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beerslurpy 12-02-2006 12:22 PM

Those groovy engine dampers
 
I'm kind of annoyed at not being able to do the 2/3 shift, Anyone know of a decent engine damper that will work with a turbocharged miata? I know there were some on ebay, but I cant find the link.

kotomile 12-02-2006 12:28 PM

I used the homedepot method, only 14 bucks!

But it wasn't a damper, it was solid.

Kelly 12-02-2006 12:49 PM

I am assuming you already have the Mazdaspeed engine and differential mounts?
Try and score some RS Aizawa rear diff mount spacers or maybe a Beatrush rear platform brace.

kotomile 12-02-2006 12:59 PM

what do those aizawa spacers do?

Kelly 12-02-2006 01:07 PM

They fill in the gap between the actual diff mounts and the "Snubbers"

m2cupcar 12-02-2006 03:10 PM

I thinking of making one using a sway bar end link. They sell universal end links at autozone with poly bushings for bigger cars and it looks like a good fit with some brackets fab'd up.

beerslurpy 12-02-2006 04:04 PM

I'm just gonna get an ebay one and make it fit around the turbo. If it doesnt work, I can move on to progressively more expensive and complicated solutions.

My hunch is that putting a brace directly opposed to the engine's movement at the place of greatest angular momentum will have the greatest likelihood of fixing the problem. All the other solutions seem to offer marginal improvements in stiffness that are very close to the axis of rotation.

If the ebay brace doesnt work, I will probably do the MS mounts next, followed by the okayama tranny brace and then the FM chassis brace.

Kelly 12-02-2006 05:26 PM

The Okuyama tranny brace helps a bit...but not like doing the Beatrush rear brace will.
If you replaced the soft rubber mounts on the Okuyama with something of a higher durometer you would probably be in good shape.

beerslurpy 12-02-2006 05:34 PM

Ooh I never never heard of the beat rush brace before. I might give that a try then. Know of any places that have them in stock?

Kelly 12-02-2006 05:56 PM

http://www.metromotorsports.com/prod...sp?pProdID=162

Sounds like it may be sold out for now.

Here is the Okuyama front lower.
http://www.metromotorsports.com/prod...sp?PprodID=146


These guys ship really fast. I would hold off on both of these until you do the Mazdaspeed mounts though.

Here is the engine mounts.
http://corksport.com/store/index.php...0&j=1165100378
Diff Mounts
http://corksport.com/store/index.php3?cmd=checkout

beerslurpy 12-02-2006 06:00 PM

Are the mazdaspeed mounts really that worthwhile?

Kelly 12-02-2006 06:02 PM

Yes. They make a nice difference on their own. Even better when paired with the diff mounts. You won't get that shifter to stay in one place though untill you eliminate the powerplant frame and hard mount the tranny. The Mazdaspeed mounts are a great compromise.

You could look into these too.
http://www.function-7.com/a0-f7mx05mt.html

I have never heard of anyone actually having a set though. Kinda expensive

bripab007 12-02-2006 07:57 PM

I've got MS engine and diff. mounts as well as the Okuyama single slot brace that connects the tranny, and I still miss the 2-3 shift :(

Kelly 12-02-2006 08:08 PM

Do any of you guys run a short shifter? It was one of my first mods I did for my Miata and I never had much trouble with the 2-3 shift.

beerslurpy 12-02-2006 08:14 PM

How much power are you making? I never really missed shifts below 12 psi.

Kelly 12-02-2006 08:25 PM

I was making nowhere the power that you are. Rob at Flipside had the same issue once he got near the 200 whp mark and ended up eliminating the power plant frame altogether and building a front mount for the rear diff and hard mounted the transmission. It is the best shifting Miata I have ever driven. Its pretty loud with all the gear noise being transmitted right into the cabin.

beerslurpy 12-02-2006 08:49 PM

Alright, I'll let you guys know what works as I try it.

Braineack 12-02-2006 10:10 PM

i must shift really slow.

beerslurpy 12-02-2006 10:25 PM

12 psi on a 1.6L is less torque and hp than on a 1.8 with a 99 head. You've got less bore and slightly less stroke riding on the same transmission and similar motor mounts.

airbrush1 12-02-2006 11:24 PM

never had a 2-3 problem.... but at redline, the 1-2 shift is a PITA..... even with my mazdaspeed mounts and short shifter

mxv 12-03-2006 01:00 AM

is it good having all these hard mounts? i would think it would eventually break somthing down the road? if not i am about to go buy 24 ft of 1 inch tubing haha

olderguy 12-03-2006 09:01 AM

Since the engine and transmission are as one unit and the twisting of the ppf should have nothing to do with the meshing of gears, is the problem strictly the changing position of the shift knob in relation to the driver's hand?

mxv 12-03-2006 11:16 AM

^ thats what i was thinking

y8s 12-03-2006 11:26 AM

ingalls is allegedly working on a "stiffy" for the miata
http://www.ingallseng.com/parts/ETD/ETD-Specs.htm

m2cupcar 12-03-2006 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by olderguy (Post 61533)
Since the engine and transmission are as one unit and the twisting of the ppf should have nothing to do with the meshing of gears, is the problem strictly the changing position of the shift knob in relation to the driver's hand?

wow, that's about the most diplomatic way of saying "driver error" I've ever heard. :bowdown:

adbradley 12-03-2006 11:51 AM

The 2/3 problem i have is when i try to quickly shift from 2 to 3 while under heavy acceleration, it grinds. Is this what you guys are talkin about? If so, i was not aware there was a solution! I guess i need to read up. I have this problem almost every time i try to shift under heavy acceleration, and i hate it, sounds like im gonna rip out the tranny.

Braineack 12-03-2006 02:49 PM

My 2-3 used to grind actually. But after some new turrent oil and redline fluid, no more.

adbradley 12-03-2006 03:13 PM

really?

whats turrent oil?

LunaticDriver 12-03-2006 03:53 PM

2-3 grind from a quick shift wouldnt that be worn snynchro and your shifting faster than it can snych? So more or less your forcing over the dog teeth and thats the grindin sound ya hear?

Arkmage 12-03-2006 04:33 PM

If things work out there will be a solution for this problem in the "near" future ;)

beerslurpy 12-04-2006 03:42 PM

Ok, got a 60 dollar ebay brace on the way, I'll see if that holds the engine in place. It looks like the 160 dollar weapon-R brace, only it costs 100 dollars less. If it falls short, I can always modify it with hammers.

beerslurpy 12-08-2006 04:31 PM

Hmm, I had to drill on it a little to get it to work, but it does appear to work. It comes very close to hitting the brake lines but just barely clears it. 2/3 shifts appear to be a lot smoother. I need to test it more once the weather warms up.

Only mods are worn stock motor mounts and the ebay brace.

kotomile 12-08-2006 05:36 PM

2 Attachment(s)
My homedepot solid brace (before turbo, turbo and homedepot brace can't co-exist )

Attachment 217159
Attachment 217160

Arkmage 12-08-2006 06:37 PM

Kotomile: I like how that integrates into your MC brace. Good looking piece. The only downer is that bolts being single shear. single shear = bad. Still more than adequate for the application though.

bripab007 12-08-2006 09:36 PM

My Miata's become progressively more difficult to make the 2-3 shift as it's gained power. It's not the tranny fluid, as that's changed regularly.

Worn syncros are, however, the cause of the 1-2 shift grind I get when really huffing it.

beerslurpy 12-09-2006 12:21 AM

Uh, this is a fresh tranny with fresh synthetic fluid. I'm telling you it is due to the engine flopping around under the hood and causing the transmission to shift around.


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