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18psi 07-14-2017 03:59 PM

yeah the magnapacks at your local parts stores are the same and I think like $40

Engi-ninja 07-14-2017 04:58 PM

Ok, thanks, very good to know!

I know everyone keeps saying that the magnaflow should be more than sufficient...The reason I seem to be going to extraordinary lengths is because, for whatever reason, my ears seem to be a lot more sensitive to low frequency sound than most people's. Since it would be supremely anti-climactic, to say the least, to build a turbo car and then not be able to drive it without going deaf, I just want to make as sure as possible to make the car as quiet as possible. It appears that two resonators or straight through mufflers are about as good as it's going to get, so now it's just a matter of determining which resonators will work the best.

I guess, in the end, they'll all probably be similar, and worst case I'll just mount a flapper like Jason and be done with it.

Art 07-14-2017 05:52 PM

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JasonC SBB 07-14-2017 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1427772)
why toss away 7%, when all you need is the bigmaflow anyway?

it's just a louvered muffler...you can buy the same on ebay for $15.

https://solo-performance.com/images/...s/mr/1full.jpg

I had one for a bit. Then I measured its YUUUUGE backpressure. I'm talking 5-7 psi.

codrus 07-14-2017 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 1427812)
I had one for a bit. Then I measured its YUUUUGE backpressure. I'm talking 5-7 psi.

Plus it's really quiet when the car hasn't run for 3 years... :)

--Ian

EO2K 07-14-2017 07:28 PM

Ian! :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

I got poked so I'll chime in and see if I can help. I will preface my comments by saying that sound is ridiculously subjective, and I can only give my impressions. You really need to go out and get a ride in one of these things under full power to judge for yourself. So the two quietest 300+HP turbo exhaust I have direct experience with are Codrus' and my own. You've seen mine, and I believe Codrus is running an off the shelf 3" FM turbo exhaust.

Now keep in mind, neither of our exhausts are "silent" but they are definitely "quieter" than pretty much any other free flowing 3" turbo exhaust I've ever heard on a Miata. My exhaust has zero high frequency noise, but I need to warn you, there is a lot of lower tones still present.

As for cat, I have toyed with the idea of adding a cat just to see how much of a difference it would make. Probably one of the 200 or 300cpi metal core ones that seem to be avalible in the aftermarket. Put it on vbands and of course remove it for trackday shenanigans. Of course, its not like a cat would be any kind of approved or make my exhaust any more legal, but I feel like its something I might want to try at some point, so we'll see.

As for the flapper valve, if someone made one that I could push the easy button and order I'd probably have done it. When we built my exhaust, nothing existed other than eBay garbage that would just rattle itself to death and fall apart, so I didn't bother.

As for resonator, I picked the Vibrant with the largest internal volume that I could actually fit in the car. More internal volume = more reduction. You can also move the resonator around in the exhaust to see if it hits a "sweet spot" to help with certain frequencies, but that kind of "tuning" tends to get expensive if you are not DIY-ing an exhaust. Also, that cheese grater resonator is LOL, the Vibrant looks NOTHING like that internally. They are truly a nice part.

Please note that my muffler is not the "standard" MT.net muffler. Search the PN here on MT and you'll see a thread detailing the difference.

Engi-ninja 07-14-2017 10:03 PM

Thanks EO2K, I appreciate the input.


My exhaust has zero high frequency noise, but I need to warn you, there is a lot of lower tones still present.
So this is what concerns me. I agree, I just need to find a turbo miata and hear it for myself. I know there is at least one in the area, it's been sighted at the local autocross event. I'll start asking around, someone I know is bound to know who it is.

Just a thought; Jason mentioned he didn't need the flapper valve with his 2.5" exhaust. I don't have any intention of going for more than 220-230 whp in the foreseeable future. Certainly not while it's a dd. Do I really need 3" exhaust at that power? Would going with a 2.5" exhaust make the lower frequency sound significantly more manageable? (Note, I'm not assuming here that Lars would make me a 2.5", I'm just hypothesizing).

codrus 07-15-2017 12:24 AM

IME, a 3" helps significantly with spool even if it's not strictly necessary for ultimate power. I can't see any reason to put a 2.5" exhaust on a turbo Miata.

--Ian

Engi-ninja 07-15-2017 08:27 AM

Ok, I figured that was the case. I guess I just need to find a turbo Miata with a 3" exhaust to hear for myself.

shuiend 07-15-2017 03:52 PM

What is happening is we are going to get 2 vibrant resonators. I am going to weld them in. If it is still to loud. OP is going to buy a Tesla Roadster instead.

EO2K 07-16-2017 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1427954)
What is happening is we are going to get 2 vibrant resonators. I am going to weld them in. If it is still to loud. OP is going to buy a Tesla Roadster instead.

Excellent course of action. :party:

18psi 07-16-2017 05:11 PM

should be very quiet

JasonC SBB 07-17-2017 11:50 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1427817)
Plus it's really quiet when the car hasn't run for 3 years... :)

--Ian

I'm triggered by the lazy-shaming.

Engi-ninja 07-18-2017 08:18 AM

Quick, find a safe space! If that fails, we can schedule a cry-in so you can express your feelings in imaginary isolation from the real world, and receive gratuitous validation of your laziness.

Engi-ninja 07-18-2017 01:42 PM

Officially ordered MKTurbo kit! Lars is going to try to fit 2 ultra quiet vibrant resonators...we shall see how it goes. I'll update this thread with audio clips once it's all installed and running.

shuiend 07-18-2017 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Engi-ninja (Post 1428446)
Officially ordered MKTurbo kit! Lars is going to try to fit 2 ultra quiet vibrant resonators...we shall see how it goes. I'll update this thread with audio clips once it's all installed and running.

That you did. I will start ordering parts early next week so they get in when I get back from vacation.

mreakus 07-20-2017 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1428450)
That you did. I will start ordering parts early next week so they get in when I get back from vacation.

Took his money and went on vacation. That is my kinda dude!

JK :likecat:

shuiend 07-20-2017 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by mreakus (Post 1428927)
Took his money and went on vacation. That is my kinda dude!

JK :likecat:

I also actually dropped parts off at his house today at about noon on my way to my vacation. So I think a 48 hour hand delivery of parts to get him started is a pretty good.

Engi-ninja 07-20-2017 10:21 PM

This is true! Hand delivery by MK Turbo. And he let me borrow his drill and tap for the oil pan, which is very much appreciated.

Swordfish 07-20-2017 10:52 PM

Big Maggie (Magnaflow 12589) is really really quiet on my 6758 powered NC. People are disappointed that it's so quiet.

jeff


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