VJ-11 vs. VJ-14
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Here's some pics for anyone interested in the IHI turbos. The VJ-11 (larger) was from a Ford Probe and the VJ-14 (smaller) was from a Mercury Capri. They look like the same turbine wheel but the VJ-11 has a larger turbine housing. VJ-14 has a smaller compressor wheel. The downpipe flanges are also different.
I've always wanted to compair the two myself but never had them side by side. Now I have the chance since I picked up a VJ-14 and mani for $20. I ran a VJ-11 on my Miata with a DIY mani. I could get 12-14psi all day but I could feel the power rolling off at the top end. I have a VJ-11 on the MX-3 now but it takes awhile to spool. I'll be putting the VJ-14 and mani on the MX-3 and let you know how that works out. Attachment 214361 Attachment 214362 Attachment 214363 Attachment 214364 |
take off the compressor housings and measure the wheels for realz.
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which manifold is that.....is it from the probe?
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 220415)
take off the compressor housings and measure the wheels for realz.
Originally Posted by The_Pipefather
(Post 220443)
which manifold is that.....is it from the probe?
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Ford Probe VJ-11 compressor inlet ID at the wheel = ~39mm
Merc Capri VJ-14 compressor inlet ID at the wheel = ~37mm The compressor housings look identical but the Capri compressor outlet (for the hose) is slightly longer. Both turbine wheels are ~44mm at the opening of the turbine outlet. Both turbine inlet flanges are ~45mm and the same 4-bolt symmetrical pattern. I'm not going to tear them apart again and figure out the a/r and trims and all that. Although I'd love to I JUST put them back together. I can't measure the wheels exactly due to them having an odd number of blades. Just allow for housing clearance of the above measurements. |
does the VJ-14 have a larger exducer? because right now based on those numbers I'd go with the -11
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lazzer clear your PM box man.
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That capri manifold looks just like the 323 GTX manifold. I believe it doesn't fit, even if you have PS and AC removed because it hits the frame where it attaches to the motor mount...well the manifold may not but the turbo will.
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Originally Posted by MX_Eva
(Post 220797)
That capri manifold looks just like the 323 GTX manifold. I believe it doesn't fit, even if you have PS and AC removed because it hits the frame where it attaches to the motor mount...well the manifold may not but the turbo will.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 220721)
does the VJ-14 have a larger exducer? because right now based on those numbers I'd go with the -11
edit - make that 8-10psi. That's more realistic. |
if the turbine and a/r is all the same, you really wouldn't notice any difference in spool, but the large compressor wheel will prove better hp per psi.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 220875)
if the turbine and a/r is all the same, you really wouldn't notice any difference in spool, but the large compressor wheel will prove better hp per psi.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 220875)
if the turbine and a/r is all the same, you really wouldn't notice any difference in spool, but the large compressor wheel will prove better hp per psi.
The huge vj23 turbo I have on the GTR swapped 323 GTX is also a total dog until it gets to around 4500 rpm then it tries to rip all 4 tires off as you have instant boost come on like sombody hit a switch. The GT3071R I have on the 2.0l Miata is a thing of beauty though totally smooth and gobs of power everywhere. Bob |
wow - you'd think the VJ23 would be more linear since it's a BB turbo like the gt3071r.
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Originally Posted by jif
(Post 237020)
wow - you'd think the VJ23 would be more linear since it's a BB turbo like the gt3071r.
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Originally Posted by bbundy
(Post 236862)
Going from a vj14 to a vj11 on a 1.6l GTX I had made the car not much fun to drive at all. It made good power but no usible boost until very high in the rev range. It’s not really a big turbo but spools like a much bigger turbo than what it is. I dont know why but it sucks. The boost response on the 14 is instantaneous and it will make 16+psi from 2500 rpm to redline with a good exhaust. You wont get much more than about 200hp but it will work at 20psi.
The huge vj23 turbo I have on the GTR swapped 323 GTX is also a total dog until it gets to around 4500 rpm then it tries to rip all 4 tires off as you have instant boost come on like sombody hit a switch. The GT3071R I have on the 2.0l Miata is a thing of beauty though totally smooth and gobs of power everywhere. Bob |
For what it's worth I threw the 14 on the 3 and that woke it up. :) Now all I need is some engine management. :giggle:
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