Voodoo box or Megasquirt?
So Im contemplating engine management. Im building my own turbo kit and hoping for 200hp. What would be the finally cost to get an ms system running and how hard are they to tune. I am experiance with hondata and utec. Im thinking the fm voodoo box because its easy to use and fairly cheap at 415.00. what is your guy's experiance?
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I'm going to be selling my voodoo box and installing MSI in my '99.
The voodoo box is a bandaid solution for people that want to run stock fueling(injectors) and limits them to 8psi. Megasquirt will let you do whatever you want without limits basically. You'll be able to install larger injectors and run more boost safely to reach your horsepower goal while eventually having a better tune than the Voodoo will ever give you. The tuning capability of the voodoo box is very limited and not worth $415. If you were to get something like the Voodoo i would get the PC-Pro instead. |
shit for that money I'd rather get an EMU or at least an EMB
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The VooDoo Black box is basically a glorified ELF (that actually works) or a JRPC.
I agree with Fritch that for that kinda money, you can buy a EMB/EMU. Or, if you feel adventurous, how about the new PC Pro? |
its a 99. I forgot to metion that. do any of you have links to some of these other systems? I appreciate the feedback. just figured out that emb was emanage. the car was really unhappy on that. I ended up selling it. what is the pc pro?
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Go with the MS.. tons and tons of documentation on here and active members that can help you get it right.
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pc pro = powercard pro
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Really depends on how much futzing you are willing to do. MS is much more capable, but still needs to get some bugs worked out. I think the MS is the "better" option, however, it is certainly not the "easiest" option if you catch my drift.
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Originally Posted by sq_creations
(Post 78321)
its a 99. I forgot to metion that. do any of you have links to some of these other systems? I appreciate the feedback. just figured out that emb was emanage. the car was really unhappy on that. I ended up selling it. what is the pc pro?
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ZOMGZ!!!111!!!111! Megasquirt FTW!!!1111!!
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the MS has far more capability and it will cost you about the same if you assembly it and only slightly more if you buy pre-assembled. I havn't added up my totals yet but I think I'm at around $450 after buying all the sensors, connectors, wiring, extra crap I forgot to take off my order, etc etc. If you are frugal and plan right you could MS for about $400.
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after talking to tom Im going to try out the pc-pro. thanks everyone.
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can you run bigger injectors with the pc pro?
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Originally Posted by BenR
(Post 78404)
can you run bigger injectors with the pc pro?
The PC-pro can support his HP goals, as a former JRPC user, I would go that way again. (what is easier then soldering 6 wires?) The disadvantage is timing control, IIRC FM sells a wheel to modify the CAS on the NB's, but that will retard timing all the time. The other option is to add a J&S but that's $$$$ (but cheaper than a new motor). |
DIY autotune quoted me $560 for a box where all I have to do is hook up wires and tune.
Ms is kinda strange how it uses VE to tune, but I don't know that much to begin with. For $160 more you get full on stand alone...no brainer. |
Originally Posted by sq_creations
(Post 78396)
after talking to tom Im going to try out the pc-pro. thanks everyone.
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Originally Posted by BenR
(Post 78404)
can you run bigger injectors with the pc pro?
I would look at the Xede ($1000 w/o injectors). Twice the cost of the pcpro, but it's an entire solution. |
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 78653)
I would look at the Xede ($1000 w/o injectors). Twice the cost of the pcpro, but it's an entire solution.
Stephanie |
Yeah but there is still no exede for 1.6's that sucks.
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:confused:
Base mapping Xede for 1.6L is done. Stephanie |
So when can we expect to see a working modle or do you guys need someone to beta test it. Im game. New motor big turbo no egine managment lots of fun xede would be perfect. No hassle install i got 460's already. I could get 550's but heck 460's-550's if it can handle 1 it can handle the other right.
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Go with the PC-PRO I had the Voodoo Box and now I have the PC-PRO its awesome. I'm still trying to get some information together but with the weather so cold and some snow its kinda holding me back.
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Originally Posted by magnamx-5
(Post 78743)
So when can we expect to see a working modle or do you guys need someone to beta test it. Im game. New motor big turbo no egine managment lots of fun xede would be perfect. No hassle install i got 460's already. I could get 550's but heck 460's-550's if it can handle 1 it can handle the other right.
Stephanie |
awsome i alraedy have some 460's so whenever you guys get it sorted, i will be harping for one esp if it costs the same or less than the existing units. Why cant i buy a normal 1.8 one from you guys and use it on my 1.6?
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The unit itself is the same. The wire harness is different. We can make it PNP or you can hard wire it for cost savings. The 460 cc map will require some adjustment on your part. Mainly to remove fuel across the whole table. However, since they were once stock injectors, they scale down better at idle.
Stephanie |
hmm this looks better the more i hear, how long until the 1.6 harness's are made avialable? Is the exede tuneable for a beginer? Will we need a Wideband?
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Got my first PNP harness last week! So anytime. If I can tune an Xede, anyone can. And I really am serious. :)
A wideband or OBD scanner device w/ live data will be necessary to do tuning your self. Tuning Software is on my website. Download X map and play with it some. Stephanie |
sweet your site is begi right im there. this has me humming expectantly.
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The xede is pretty nice for its price point. If I didn't get the second hand EMU, I'd have gone with the xede.
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So the main advantage of the xede over the MS is easier tuning. Other than it comes with a better base map, why doesn't it need to be tuned? What can my MS do that the xede can't? (Assuming the xede can now accept a wideband signal). (I am asking because I am nervous about tuning with the ms!)
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Ms Ftw
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