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Ben 12-19-2007 06:38 PM

The what size stuff do I need thread
 
What size oil and water fittings thread into a Garrett T25?
What size and grade head to exhaust mani studs do I need?
Should I drill out the mani and turbo flange to fit 10mm studs, or will 8 be enough?

More coming, I'm sure...

Stephanie Turner 12-19-2007 10:24 PM

The coolant line fittings are 7/16 x 20 (-4) to 14.0 x 1.5mm.

Oil Line fitting is a -4 to 7/16 x 24 Inverted Flare.

I believe the exhaust head studs are 10 mm x 1.25.

Go with 10 mm studs! 8 is not enough if you run any track/autocross events. Even then..... If anyone has our manifold w/ 8 mm studs, will we drill them out to 10mm free of charge.
Stephanie

Ben 12-20-2007 08:31 PM

Thank you :bowdown:

SamS 12-20-2007 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 187807)
Go with 10 mm studs! 8 is not enough if you run any track/autocross events. Even then..... If anyone has our manifold w/ 8 mm studs, will we drill them out to 10mm free of charge.
Stephanie

The studs break under the increased heat/load of track duty I assume? I suppose I could take off the mani while I'm home for winter break, hopefully I'll get some money for xmas to pay for shipping:bigtu:.

Ben 12-20-2007 09:06 PM

Sam, you'll probably also need to drill out the turbo flange too. If you don't have a drill press, I think it would be a lot more economical to just pay a machine shop than to ship it all.

The 8mm studs I have here really look undersized to me.

SamS 12-20-2007 09:09 PM

My dad has a year old drill press, I guess I could just buy a 10mm tap and some studs.

Saml01 12-20-2007 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by Stephanie Turner (Post 187807)
The coolant line fittings are 7/16 x 20 (-4) to 14.0 x 1.5mm.

Oil Line fitting is a -4 to 7/16 x 24 Inverted Flare.

I believe the exhaust head studs are 10 mm x 1.25.

Go with 10 mm studs! 8 is not enough if you run any track/autocross events. Even then..... If anyone has our manifold w/ 8 mm studs, will we drill them out to 10mm free of charge.
Stephanie

What is the diameter of the hose in inches for the coolant lines? or is it 7/16 if im not using an AN fitting?

Kinda suck at these measurements.

Arkmage 12-21-2007 09:01 AM

keep in mind when buying clamps that they are labeled by ID size. Your piping will be labeled by OD size... BUT you have couplers inbetweeen. Figure on an additional .25-.375" on the diameter. So, if you have 2" pipe buy 2.25" clamps. 3" buy 3.25" clamps.... etc.

Savington 12-21-2007 12:06 PM

Ben, don't listen to anything you get in this thread. That turbo has got some really insane fittings. Did I leave anything in that CHRA as far as fittings go?

The drain "flange" is a metric thread. The oil feed is NOT 7/16-24 inverted, but if there's a fitting in the feed already it's the converter I bought to convert it to 7/16-24. The water lines are kind of normal, but you're still going to have to size them at a pneumatic supply store.

Stephanie Turner 12-21-2007 12:11 PM

Besides the -4 side fittings, those are fittings we have used in all Garrett turbos for the last 4 years; including GT2560, GT2554, GT2860, GT2871, and GT3071 turbos. We do not convert them to anything or re-drill any holes. The -4 is what we use for oil/coolant lines.
Stephanie

Stephanie Turner 12-21-2007 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 188333)
What is the diameter of the hose in inches for the coolant lines? or is it 7/16 if im not using an AN fitting?

You can either go up to 1/2", or slightly down to 3/8". I would recommend that you get a 7/16 fitting that has a standard size hose barb on the other end.
Stephanie

Ben 12-21-2007 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 188508)
Ben, don't listen to anything you get in this thread. That turbo has got some really insane fittings. Did I leave anything in that CHRA as far as fittings go?

The drain "flange" is a metric thread. The oil feed is NOT 7/16-24 inverted, but if there's a fitting in the feed already it's the converter I bought to convert it to 7/16-24. The water lines are kind of normal, but you're still going to have to size them at a pneumatic supply store.

There were two fittings, IIRC one of the water lines and the oil feed. I have no idea what sizes either of them are. The water fitting was too long and bumped the exhaust manifold, so I took it off. The oil drain flange looks like it would thread into my mitsu's oil drain, but does not. And it doesn't have the "ears" to bolt the fitting to.

Steph, this turbo is a Garrett TB2522 Part # 465749-5001. I couldn't find any info on Garrett's site about this turbo, and I found no way of contacting Garrett directly.

Atlanta93LE 12-21-2007 01:08 PM

:rofl: Good luck. Finding the right fittings for my variant of the small 16g was one of the biggest headaches of my build.

Go to a Fastenal store and use their bolts to find the right threads for the fittings, and then either source the appropriate fittings somewhere online or have them machined if you get in a jam.

Ben 12-21-2007 01:14 PM

Thanks. There's a Fastenal not too far from me.

Savington 12-21-2007 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 188528)
There were two fittings, IIRC one of the water lines and the oil feed. I have no idea what sizes either of them are. The water fitting was too long and bumped the exhaust manifold, so I took it off. The oil drain flange looks like it would thread into my mitsu's oil drain, but does not. And it doesn't have the "ears" to bolt the fitting to.

OK. The feed is a 7/16-24, as long as you leave that fitting in. The drain fitting is a metric thread. The two water fittings should be pretty standard.

TurboTim 12-21-2007 02:14 PM

Sorry if this was mentioned already but the holes on the garrett T2 flange are 9mm ID. If you use a 10mm stud you also have to drill holes in the turbo larger.

kinda obvious info but I figured I'd share. I used 10mm studs on paul's new manifold.

I'm using 5/16 studs (close to 8mm) on my new TT manifold cause i have studs and nuts lying around. It's easier to get a smaller wrench on the 5/16" studs.

jayc72 12-21-2007 02:26 PM

I'd use the largest and easiest to find studs. Ironically metric fastners are more difficult to come by in Canada. I used 3/8 on my greddy.

Saml01 01-14-2008 12:13 AM

Sorry to bump this but im starting to search for the lines that I need and I need to know one thing. Are the above hose measurements internal diameter or external diameter?

I have piece of the cars hose sitting on my desk and its 1/2" external and 3/8" internal. Which is it?

Ben 01-14-2008 09:09 AM

internal diamater

jasonrobo02 01-14-2008 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Saml01 (Post 198637)
Sorry to bump this but im starting to search for the lines that I need and I need to know one thing. Are the above hose measurements internal diameter or external diameter?

I have piece of the cars hose sitting on my desk and its 1/2" external and 3/8" internal. Which is it?

A good way to remember whether something is spec'd in ID or OD is what the important dimension is. For pipes or hoses, you will be transporting a liquid or whatever through the pipe/hose, so the critical dimension is the ID because that is important to flow. Now for a strutural tube, the OD is the more important dimension and that is why it is spec'd. The exception that comes to mind is exhaust piping. Exhaust gases are flowing through, so I would think that the ID measurement would be best, but I guess that a fairly standard wall thickness is used, so OD measurements seem to be given exclusively.


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