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MustardTiger 04-10-2017 12:19 AM

Virtual Dyno 94 MK Turbo
 
I've been running the MK kit successfully at 10-12psi for the last year (10kish miles). Finally got around to playing with Virtual Dyno. Results look pretty on par with what everyone else is seeing. Hopefully I can get a spot at a local dyno day soon.

I am running a fresh tune, switched to "incorporate AFR" so I've had to retune my VE table, still have a little work left in getting that perfect.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...63ffffaa2a.jpg
Last year I did run an 8.6 1/8 mile at 82-84mph. Looking forward to knocking a couple tenths off and getting into the 12s on the quarter!

ridethecliche 04-10-2017 12:44 AM

Nice!

Any butt dyno changes with the new tune?

Looks like a fun setup!

MustardTiger 04-10-2017 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1404768)
Nice!

Any butt dyno changes with the new tune?

Looks like a fun setup!

It definitely feels like it's pulling harder. I'll be taking it back to the 1/8 mile the first Saturday in May to see if I can beat 8.6. I should have the tune pretty well sorted by then!

There's a quick 1-3 on my local closed course test strip

shuiend 04-10-2017 12:54 PM

Fuel looks like it is a little rich. Would also love to see a VD from like 2000rpms to redline. Otherwise it looks good and I am happy you are enjoying the setup.

MustardTiger 04-10-2017 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1404861)
Fuel looks like it is a little rich. Would also love to see a VD from like 2000rpms to redline. Otherwise it looks good and I am happy you are enjoying the setup.


thanks Lars. It is definitely too rich at the lower rpms, this was one of my first WOT pulls from a lower RPM on this tune. I'm going to work on that after work tonight and get a pull in 3rd from 2,000 for you. She spools quick!

MustardTiger 04-10-2017 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1404861)
Fuel looks like it is a little rich. Would also love to see a VD from like 2000rpms to redline. Otherwise it looks good and I am happy you are enjoying the setup.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c72724f254.jpg
Ambient temps are up about 20* today. I think I lost a little boost up top.

18psi 04-10-2017 06:48 PM

clean/simple plot. Why did you set correction so high? are you at elevation or something? also weight seems high for an NA, unless you weigh 300lbs

MustardTiger 04-10-2017 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1404966)
clean/simple plot. Why did you set correction so high? are you at elevation or something? also weight seems high for an NA, unless you weigh 300lbs


To be honest I have no idea what I'm doing
​doing. Found a value for 3rd gear, that's the 1.11 value for the "dyno." I haven't done much weight reduction so I figured I'd added 100lbs to the stock 2300. Roll bar, 6uls with 245s, the turbo, hard top, radiator etc all have to way something.

As for the smoothing, the Focus ST guys yelled at me for only smoothing to 1, but I think they were mad a mostly stock but tuned ST was putting out 380tq compared to their 300tq Cobb maps:party:

18psi 04-10-2017 10:51 PM

correction factor should be at 1, or no correction.
don't think an NA weighs 2300, and definitely not 2400 with a tank of gas.
I'm just trying to make sure your plot is comparable to the others, I'm not trying to pick it apart. given the above I'd guess you're at 180

MustardTiger 04-10-2017 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405047)
correction factor should be at 1, or no correction.
don't think an NA weighs 2300, and definitely not 2400 with a tank of gas.
I'm just trying to make sure your plot is comparable to the others, I'm not trying to pick it apart. given the above I'd guess you're at 180


My title says 2290 for weight. I've been meaning to get it on the scales.

​​​​​​​180whp?? And out trapping Subarus and evos in the 1/8 mile? I'm not doubting you but that seems low. I should be on pace to be well over 100 in the quarter

sonofthehill 04-10-2017 11:16 PM

Well, git that sucker on the 1/4!

MustardTiger 04-10-2017 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by sonofthehill (Post 1405054)
Well, git that sucker on the 1/4!

I know. It's a little far for me (2 hoursish), compared to 10 minutes to the 8th, and no reputable dynos either. Good old middle of nowhere NY. Numbers are just numbers but I would still like to know.
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i have my blackbird spoiler angled very aggressively for autocross. I think I'm going to mellow it out and see if that makes a difference tomorrow.

18psi 04-10-2017 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by MustardTiger (Post 1405052)
My title says 2290 for weight. I've been meaning to get it on the scales.

​​​​​​​180whp?? And out trapping Subarus and evos in the 1/8 mile? I'm not doubting you but that seems low. I should be on pace to be well over 100 in the quarter

Maybe it's more. Re-do the VD and add only your own weight and the weight of the rollbar as delta, with correction factor 1 and see what it shows.

Or run the quarter and know for sure. I dunno, just saying it's off per the settings you have put into it. Stock sti's and evo's have about 40hp on you and like 1000lb more weight, so yeah I don't doubt that you're faster.

x_25 04-11-2017 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405047)
correction factor should be at 1, or no correction.
don't think an NA weighs 2300, and definitely not 2400 with a tank of gas.
I'm just trying to make sure your plot is comparable to the others, I'm not trying to pick it apart. given the above I'd guess you're at 180

My 1990 with roll bar, AC/PS, 3/4 tank and about 20-25lbs worth of sound system came in right at 2284lbs sans driver.

18psi 04-11-2017 04:15 PM

maybe you're right, all I've weighed before are NB's. but even so, the correction factor being 1.11 is inflating his number by 11%, which would put his hp at 186-191

all this is just bench racing so I'm sure no one cares either way, it's just nice to be able to compare plots at least somewhat between the cars.

MustardTiger 04-11-2017 04:25 PM

The default CF for virtual dyno is 1.09.

I got my 1.11 number from this thread
https://forum.miata.net/vb/archive/i.../t-517684.html

Again it doesn't matter. No two dynos are going to yield the same results anyway. Quarter mile trap speed is all that really matters. My 1/8 mile walked a Ken Hill dynod 1995 230hp mp62 Miata with a far better driver than myself by a half second (8.6 v 9.1, 84 vs 75ish mph) so that's really the main reason I expect it to be higher... Other than his car I don't have any other Miatas to compare to locally.

18psi 04-11-2017 05:11 PM

Here's an old VD of my previous MSM on 91oct (blue line)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1430285631

ran a 9.0 @ 82mph in the 8th with pretty crappy driving
it's at least 200lb heavier than your car
https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...4/#post1220723

18psi 04-11-2017 05:13 PM

went back and ran it on the red line plot from above


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1e662112a8.jpg

8.8 @ 83.5

Lexzar 04-11-2017 07:41 PM

Side note, that torque curve on the msm looks sexy for what I assume is a stock turbo.

And my NA with no AC/PS but the stock thumper audio seats and full interior (like 40lbs a piece?) weighed in at 2350 without driver.

sonofthehill 04-11-2017 11:05 PM

I love it when 18psi posts timesheets :party:

patsmx5 04-12-2017 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405252)
went back and ran it on the red line plot from above


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1e662112a8.jpg

8.8 @ 83.5

I gotta get my mph to 105!

sonofthehill 04-12-2017 10:54 AM

:bowrofl:

Don't make me post a timeslip, so you feel like you need to get 109 in the eighth.

:bowrofl:

MustardTiger 04-12-2017 10:58 AM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...5a91ad2299.jpgThat's the only timeslip I can find. I have one around here somewhere that's slightly slower with the 84 trap speed. My reaction time shows how terrible of a drag racer I am. (Second time at the strip on 10ish psi). First time I ran a 9.0 on 8psi

And 18psi, for the VD you posted, you used the Dynojet setting which has a CF of 1.09

sonofthehill 04-12-2017 11:10 AM

Your 60' time is very nice in my opinion, not Pat's.

MustardTiger 04-12-2017 11:11 AM

I'm hoping I can drop it even lower on my new 245 rs4s:hs:

sonofthehill 04-12-2017 11:17 AM

What tires were you using for that eighth?

18psi 04-12-2017 11:21 AM

That '60 makes mine look pathetic, but that's expected since I was on cold crappy all season 205's.

I guess I did use the DJ setting, and I'm pretty sure everyone else does around here too (it's been a very long time since that plot). Anyways, that puts you around 205-210. Your NA has got to be at least 100-150lb lighter than an MSM though, there's no way they are anywhere near the same weight. MSM is the heaviest of them all by 100lb minimum

MustardTiger 04-12-2017 11:22 AM

195 Toyo R1Rs with 8k miles of abuse. Definitely still pretty grippy though

sonofthehill 04-12-2017 11:28 AM

Yeah R1R's r going to yield better 60's than 3something treadwear dailys. My best 60's are 1.89 and 1.90 on all seasons at like 18psi;)

Braineack 04-12-2017 01:47 PM

i wish i still had the slips of when i ran my 2000 altima in the 1/4 mile... then i could play too.

Lexzar 04-12-2017 02:15 PM

I just need to beat my daily. Thing is a piece of shit, but still.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...44dc2a2a33.png

18psi 04-12-2017 02:45 PM

nice, what car is it?

my daily should run 11's, Miata aint touchin that lol

(sorry for off topic OP :giggle: )

shuiend 04-12-2017 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405432)
nice, what car is it?

my daily should run 11's, Miata aint touchin that lol

(sorry for off topic OP :giggle: )

​​​​​​​With a nice MKTurbo setup and the larger turbo your miata can get within a second of that. I even know of a semi local driver who can run those times for you. Add on some slicks and he can probably get you even closer.

18psi 04-12-2017 03:16 PM

:idea: :D

Lexzar 04-12-2017 03:35 PM

Maxima that I am desperately trying to get rid of into something "newer" for the woman's sake. Such a boring road.

sonofthehill 04-12-2017 08:01 PM

This is one of my dailys and it is a total POS, but it's the fastest one I have :skid:
Obviously we got rained out or I would have a better pic.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...bcffb3a3f3.jpgI wanna play too

ridethecliche 04-12-2017 08:25 PM

I see your slips and raise you!


cabowabo 04-12-2017 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405047)
don't think an NA weighs 2300, and definitely not 2400 with a tank of gas.

Depends on the year, but NA8's can get pretty porky. My 97 Touring with full interior minus soft top/passenger seat, roll bar, me at 190lbs, and sucking fumes was 2410lbs on NASA scales. That's with no turbo fun.

18psi 04-12-2017 08:45 PM

Wow. Now I'm even more surprised why anyone would ever buy an NA :giggle:

cabowabo 04-12-2017 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405524)
Wow. Now I'm even more surprised why anyone would ever buy an NA :giggle:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...481743cb73.gif

sonofthehill 04-12-2017 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 1405522)

I mean, it's not like I was a student there. I simply know a bunch of the upper level management personally and​ have had the misfortune of dealing with them on a few occasions. Beware!

Ted75zcar 04-12-2017 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1405524)
Wow. Now I'm even more surprised why anyone would ever buy an NA :giggle:

OBDII


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