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tronik Feb 14, 2007 12:54 AM

so would this not work with an emanage blue?

Joe Perez Feb 14, 2007 01:38 AM


Originally Posted by Chris Swearingen (Post 81835)
Joe,

Thanks for this mod!!!!!! It has produced somewhere between 1.5 and 2 PSI FREE BOOST on my M45 blower.

Very cool, Chris. That's an even better gain than I'd expected.

BTW- the filter poking through the hood- wicked. :firedevil

Joe Perez Feb 14, 2007 01:42 AM


Originally Posted by tronik (Post 82664)
so would this not work with an emanage blue?

As far as I know, the airflow output map is unique to the EMU. It's one of the reasons I went with it as opposed to the EMB. If the EMB has any kind of analog output that can be 2d mapped to RPM and MAP then it could be done, but I'm not aware that they have this capability.

It's kind of the same thing that bugs me about EMU sometimes- the unit has so much more potential than Greddy has exploited. Given the right software, an EMU could function as a complete standalone- all the I/O hardware is there and it obviously has the CPU resources to do it, they just never quite had the vision I guess. I just hope that someone out there who is better than I at microcontroller development is busy reverse-engineering the EMU platform to write a new set of firmware for it.

Chris Swearingen Feb 14, 2007 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 82671)
Very cool, Chris. That's an even better gain than I'd expected.

I had suspected some restriction, but like you, not nearly that much!

Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 82671)
BTW- the filter poking through the hood- wicked. :firedevil

The "sleeper" look pretty well went out the window with the wing, air dam and race seat so I figured why not. Intake temps are MUCH cooler this way. I still have to build a removable cover for it. It was snowing through the holes last night.

Mimime Feb 14, 2007 09:42 AM

I still haven't install my EMB, look at what you are doing to me..! Anyone want to get my EMB unit? :-( JK

tritium Apr 8, 2007 11:30 AM

I've successfully removed my AFM using Joe Perez's airflow output map.
Works great, power is up, spoolup is better, altogether a great mod !
Thanks Joe !

Falk Jun 9, 2007 04:00 AM

To continue reduce restriction before
the blowers, I hardly recommend
using bigger throttle bodys.

On my M45 coldside I installed a 70mm TB,
with 70mm tubing to the air filter.
(unfortunatly I havnt had time till now
to take out the RX7 AFM, will be next step)

Anyway, the car feels so much stronger,
so much more agressive.
On hotside JRSCs, I feel the elbow will be the
next restrictive thing. Chris solved this great.
Unfortunatly here in Europe his way
is not to recommend.

*another nice feature for 1.6 cars is
to get a variable TPS with the BTB.


Falk

tkouwenhoven Sep 28, 2007 06:16 AM

Finally I got my 1991 NA working well with the e-Manage, without the MAF-sensor unit. I had a shed load of problems with idle which prevented me from moving forward to removing the ol' ugly flap unit. Cleaning the ISC and other idle control units, checking all grounding, et cetera, it all made no difference. I was already using e-Manage ultimate to trim fuel in the closed loop area, otherwise the car wouldn't run. Then Joe said that he didn't trim fuel at all in that area, using just zero's there, which puzzled me. Just using the 205 cc to 310 cc automatic injector resizing parameter didn't do the job for me, I had to trim fuel in many many cells. Then I thought, let's use the airflow output table to circumvent the MAF sensor and put zero's in the closed loop part of the map. Just give it a go, right.

Result: it runs smooth! Just a bit of hunting in the idle area, probably due to some grounding area I overlooked.

8 bloody weeks of searching under the hood and in the foot well, scavenging web fora and bugging people with questions.

Well, here's to the guys that gave me some clues into the right direction: Cheers to you all!

Timo

PS For idle issues on an NA, check Bill Strohm's work on forum.miata.net / tab: garage (http://www.miata.net/garage/ignition.html#idle).

miataz Oct 9, 2007 10:21 PM

eh when i remove mine do i have to put any mods for it said something about a 4 bar sensor??? can i just delete and leave the stock ecu and everything and not make any mods bec i got a turbo n i dont wna deal with tht shit

Joe Perez Oct 9, 2007 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by miataz (Post 161408)
eh when i remove mine do i have to put any mods for it said something about a 4 bar sensor??? can i just delete and leave the stock ecu and everything and not make any mods bec i got a turbo n i dont wna deal with tht shit

Not sure if you're serious, but...

In order to do this, you have to have an eManage Ultimate, and the corresponding Greddy 4-bar MAP sensor. There was a lot of speculation when the EMU first came out that a person could substitute a cheaper 2 bar or 2.5 bar sensor instead, and while this does function to a point it is non-optimal.

BTW, some suggested reading:
http://tinyurl.com/2j2at3
http://tinyurl.com/369pou
http://tinyurl.com/2stuua

miataz Oct 10, 2007 08:48 AM

K lol, i was serious, sorry about the "grammar" i just bought a Greddy E-manage Blue EMS so, we shall see what happens thanks anyways.

Ben Oct 10, 2007 08:52 AM

good luck! :ugh2:

H3br3WHAmm3R92na Dec 14, 2010 05:40 PM

Could this work if i have a aem F/IC

musanovic Dec 14, 2010 07:42 PM

yes

lew Jun 20, 2011 04:06 PM

any chance of an updated link for the maf removal?

sturovo Feb 5, 2013 11:17 AM


UPDATE: musanovic has now done a version of this for the NB (which may work with the 1.8 NA) here: http://www.rpaperformance.com/miatamaf.html
Does any have a copy of the musanovic 1.8 maf delete write up?
(The posted link is dead.)

russian Jan 20, 2018 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 73948)
UPDATE: musanovic has now done a version of this for the NB (which may work with the 1.8 NA) here: Loading

Looks like this link is a bit not alive. Would anyone by any chance have a copy or fresh link?


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