Cam signal idea for full sequential
#42
Slowmx5, here are some waveforms from a 1996 CAS vehicle. On earlier vehicles the wire color changes but the signals are the same. Hopefully they help on your quest.
The bottom signal on both screen captures is the Yellow/Blue wire and the top is the white wire from the CAS.
Both captures were at idle. The difference between them is the time scale only.
EDIT: I removed the waveforms.
The bottom signal on both screen captures is the Yellow/Blue wire and the top is the white wire from the CAS.
Both captures were at idle. The difference between them is the time scale only.
EDIT: I removed the waveforms.
Last edited by mrtonyg; 06-26-2009 at 12:24 PM.
#44
A magnetic or VR sensor outputs a pure sine wave ac output. Meaning it oscillates between negative and positive. If you notice it never goes negative.
Look at the wave form, the bottom signal is triggered from battery voltage as a source. A magnetic sensor doesn't need a source voltage, it develops it's own voltage from induction ie. from the passing of a ferrous trigger across the face of the sensor.
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mrtonyg, you say those captures are the two outputs of a '96 CAS? Something isn't right with those traces. The lower trace (CMP, which you call SGC) should not be a little spikey thing, but a nice squarewave with unequal duty cycle on alternating events.
Edit: here's what a healthy NA CAS looks like when both outputs have +5 pullups applied. The top trace is CMP, the next one is CKP, and the third & fourth traces are ignition outputs A and B.
(apologies for the hand-written traces, this was done on my four-channel scope when the floppy drive was broken.)
Edit: here's what a healthy NA CAS looks like when both outputs have +5 pullups applied. The top trace is CMP, the next one is CKP, and the third & fourth traces are ignition outputs A and B.
(apologies for the hand-written traces, this was done on my four-channel scope when the floppy drive was broken.)
#49
Just checked on my other Miata...I have a faulty CAS sensor which led to the odd looking trace!!! Hard to believe, the car runs perfect!
Below are off my 1994 Miata.
Both captures were at idle. The difference between them is the time scale only.
I believe the top signal with the shorter pulse is the #1cyl TDC. When I get back from a 2 day vacation, I will sync this signal to the injectors and coils to see their relationship.
Below are off my 1994 Miata.
Both captures were at idle. The difference between them is the time scale only.
I believe the top signal with the shorter pulse is the #1cyl TDC. When I get back from a 2 day vacation, I will sync this signal to the injectors and coils to see their relationship.
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Yep, that's what they're supposed to look like. CMP always rises before CKP, however on one cycle it falls before CKP, and on the other it falls after. If your ECU is capable of looking at the relationship between two pulses then you can use this to determine #1 TDC.
This is one reason why the MS1 cannot do full sequential, as its trigger inputs are edge-detecting only and require all edges to be evenly spaced. So we ignore the trailing edge, read the leading edge of CMP (which has a fixed relationship to CKP) and use it to reset the cycle counter.
This is one reason why the MS1 cannot do full sequential, as its trigger inputs are edge-detecting only and require all edges to be evenly spaced. So we ignore the trailing edge, read the leading edge of CMP (which has a fixed relationship to CKP) and use it to reset the cycle counter.
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It's not until you connect the sensor to an input circuit that you really define a reference. Typically, one side of the sensor is connected to ground. In such an arrangement, the voltage on the opposite wire will swing both above and below ground, having a positive potential for half the cycle, and a negative potential for the other. I'm pretty sure that this meets everyone's accepted definition of AC.
You can't think of 12v as ground because it's not...that argumnt doesn't make sense.
The fact of the matter is that in a car, there's really no such thing as ground, because the vehicle is not electrically connected to terra firma. There is only chassis, which we have all agreed to use as the common reference point for all circuits in the car.
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Here you can see the signal coming out of my VR sensor, as well as the signal produced by the decoder.
One leg of the VR sensor is connected to ground at the same point as the shield. The other leg of the sensor is connected to the input of the zero-crossing detector. In this trace, the tip probe of the scope is connected to the input stage of the detector, and the ground clip of the probe is connected to circuit ground.
Both inputs of the scope are set to DC, so they are showing you the absolute voltage on the line at any given time. At the left, the green 1> icon shows you the 0V point for channel 1. It is quite clear that the signal coming from the VR sensor is positive with regard to ground for half of the cycle, and negative with regard to ground for the other half.
Do you contend that the waveform shown in channel 1 is not an AC sine wave?
I really can't think of any alternate interpretation of this. Again, this is a "pure" VR sensor, rather than the sensor which Jason is describing. However it would not matter whether the first leg of my sensor was connected to ground, to +12, or to the hot leg of one of the phases of AC power coming into my house, so long as whatever circuit was doing the zero-crossing detection was also referenced to that point.