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patsmx5 03-17-2016 01:51 AM

Can I run ID 1000s on E85 with stock ECU?
 
I did it. Running ID 1,000's at 65 PSI base (1,225cc/min at that pressure), on E85, with the stock ECU controlling fueling via a black box I designed and built.

It's not finished yet, but the goal is to have OEM startup/idle/cold starts/hot starts/idle up/driveability/pass and return OBDII codes all the time, but it switches to MS3 for fueling when you go into boost.

Here's a short video at idle with revs with the stock ecu/black box controlling fueling. Short term fuel trims were 5-8% at idle in this video. I show Tunerstudio screen to show AFRs.

:party: This was about 20 times harder to pull off than I initially estimated....


Braineack 03-17-2016 07:18 AM

your dashboard makes me gag.

if you just used digital readouts instead of taking a legacy design approach to gauges; you could display all that data in 1/10th the screen space.


what's the point of this?

shuiend 03-17-2016 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1316427)
what's the point of this?

It is gauge bombing his laptop screen, similar to sticker bombing shit on cars.

m2cupcar 03-17-2016 09:15 AM

I'm sure that gauge layout is heavily engineered. By Pat. ;)

18psi 03-17-2016 09:21 AM

so will it pass emissions testing in your area like that?

patsmx5 03-17-2016 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1316456)
so will it pass emissions testing in your area like that?

Not yet, but that's the end goal. I just got it to finally run right on the box when I posted this. Still several things that need to be fixed to get it dialed in, but it at least runs now.

hi_im_sean 03-17-2016 01:56 PM

schematic or it didn't happen

sparkybean 03-18-2016 03:35 PM

This is amazing and hilarious.

Lokiel 03-18-2016 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1316427)
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if you just used digital readouts instead of taking a legacy design approach to gauges; you could display all that data in 1/10th the screen space.
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Analog gauges are easier to scan quickly and note anomalies since you know where you expect the needle to be - you don't have to read individual values.

This was something that air force pilots noted when moving from the analog to digital age and today you still see aircraft digital dashboards with simulated analog gauges.

Having said that, I agree with your original comment, you can reduce the amount of real estate needed IF you also display "percentage bars" to give you a sense of "where" a reading is, colour-code them for low/normal/high readings and flag if they've exceeded a MAX value.

eg. Android AdapTrackIt App

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1458337190

aidandj 03-18-2016 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 1316859)
Analog gauges are easier to scan quickly and note anomalies

Not when you have 50 damn gauges on the same 13" screen.

It would have been significantly easier to just fake OBD2 comms.

patsmx5 03-18-2016 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1316868)
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It would have been significantly easier to just fake OBD2 comms.

Outside of that being illegal, you must have missed the goals of the part in the first post. Faking OBDII comms does not accomplish 90% of the goals.


the goal is to have OEM startup/idle/cold starts/hot starts/idle up/driveability/pass and return OBDII codes all the time
Yeah my gauges are a mess, I need to fix that.... It doesn't make the car faster or more reliable, so it's low on the list.

aidandj 03-19-2016 12:25 AM

Isn't bypassing emissions equipment illegal no matter how you do it?

18psi 03-19-2016 12:47 AM

the word "legal" here is used more loosely than hustlers sphincter

The Australian 03-19-2016 06:27 AM

gauges aside, that's neat.

sparkybean 03-19-2016 02:32 PM

Any pics of said 'black box'? Schematics?

patsmx5 03-19-2016 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by The Australian (Post 1316927)
gauges aside, that's neat.

Thanks!


Originally Posted by sparkybean (Post 1316953)
Any pics of said 'black box'? Schematics?

It's not finished yet and it doesn't do everything it's supposed to do correctly yet (still have a couple hardware problems), so not posting pictures of the unfinished part. When it's done and works as I intended for it to, I will though. :)

x_25 03-22-2016 02:28 PM

First thought when seeing the thread title.

"What noob is asking that? He's gonna get reamed a new one! Oh.... It's Pat, nevermind, carry on."

In for epicwinness. Pat, you are one crazzy mofo, I love it.


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