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aidandj 01-12-2016 01:51 PM

ITT: We discuss Virtual Dyno settings
 
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So I'm trying to get virtual dyno going. And to get good baseline settings I'm using actual dyno runs to compare to the logs.

The issue is, they aren't even close to accurate.

Dyno printout

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1452624689

Virtual Dyno, weights adjusted to get as close as I can to the right numbers.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1452624689

What gives?

(Logs attached)

cyotani 01-12-2016 01:59 PM

What inputs does the virtual DYNO use for its calculations?

aidandj 01-12-2016 01:59 PM

Megasquirt log

Itty 01-12-2016 02:12 PM

Did you expect it to be accurate? AFAIK Virtual Dyno should only be used to compare against Virtual Dyno. AKA consistency rather than accuracy.

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:13 PM

I expected it to be closer than this, at least the way its used around here.

18psi 01-12-2016 02:28 PM

I've compared it to NUMEROUS actual dynojets and it's always really really close. like 2-4hp close

and the curves are also really close. like almost identical. you can check many other forums and see that there's threads like this and all of them match up.

so you're doing something wrong

18psi 01-12-2016 02:29 PM

do you have a 6sp in the car?
why are both car weights you're using so completely off the wall?
don't you have a 3.9 torsen?

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1298601)
so you're doing something wrong

Thats why this thread exists. What is it?

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1298602)
do you have a 6sp in the car?

5 speed at time of dyno
4.1 at time of dyno
weights are to try and get it to even be close. without weird weights its at like 280hp

STAHP NINJA EDITING

Itty 01-12-2016 02:30 PM

Why is your car weight set to 1300 lbs?

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:31 PM

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With correct weights:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1452627097

18psi 01-12-2016 02:33 PM

so they were that at time of dyno and not that now?

welp.....

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:35 PM

Logs are from the dyno runs.

Itty 01-12-2016 02:36 PM

Yikes.

18psi 01-12-2016 02:37 PM

that's weird. I'm too busy and lazy to troubleshoot, will check back when I'z bored

*edit: BUT WAIT

18psi 01-12-2016 02:38 PM

you can't use the logs from the dyno brah

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:38 PM

logs are attached to the first post for your pleasure.

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:38 PM

motherfucker, thats probably why.

plz delete thread out of embarassment.

18psi 01-12-2016 02:38 PM

cause the VD software calculates drag/resistance, which you don't have on a dyno

18psi 01-12-2016 02:38 PM

it calculates frontal area against wind and some other sort of mumbo jumbo

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:39 PM

brain fart

aidandj 01-12-2016 02:39 PM

i'll calculate your frontal area.

18psi 01-12-2016 02:39 PM

oh baby

pdexta 01-12-2016 03:03 PM

You can adjust coefficient of drag in Virtual Dyno, you should set it to 0 and see how well it matches up.

18psi 01-12-2016 03:05 PM

yeah I was gonna say you can play with that, but I'm not sure how accurate the results will turn out. never done that. try it and report back. or just do a pull on a flat road like the rest of us humans lol

hornetball 01-12-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1298610)
Logs are from the dyno runs.

:rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl:

:noob: :noob: :noob: :noob: :noob:

Thanks for the laugh. I needed this today.

:inout:

DNMakinson 01-12-2016 04:02 PM

That's funny. VD also uses the mass of the car. Dynojet accelerates the drum IIRC.

Use a real road pull, or better one in each direction.

aidandj 01-12-2016 04:41 PM

:fawk:

deezums 01-12-2016 05:43 PM

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Go to the settings and you can apply custom fields to make boost pressure plot proper, like this for my MS2.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1452638635

This is one way, then back. Stock settings for a miata.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1452638635

aidandj 01-12-2016 06:08 PM

You can't set drag coef to 0.

18psi 01-12-2016 06:16 PM

ITT: aidan learns the laws of nature

aidandj 01-12-2016 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1298688)
ITT: aidan learns the laws of nature


18psi 01-12-2016 06:17 PM

just open up the file

and divide by zero

Morello 01-12-2016 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1298619)
cause the VD software calculates drag/resistance, which you don't have on a dyno

Or, more significantly, it uses the weight of the car to calculate how much work the engine is doing to accelerate the car at the rate shown in the log

Which is why the directions say to do it on a flat surface. You know, on a road...
Whether Dynojet uses a drum mass or eddy current (they make both) is irrelevant :noob:

aidandj 01-12-2016 07:01 PM

Directions are for sissies.

hornetball 01-12-2016 07:06 PM

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