Reflash vs Standalone vs Piggyback
 

I have a '04 Miata LS with a stock 1.8L VVT engine. Performance mods include K&N CAI, RB header, FM hi-flow mid-pipe and RB power-pulse exhust. Car runs great but am looking for a few easy HP...who isn't. I really don't want to tear into the stock ECU wiring.

1) Has anyone used Dynotronics for a re-flash of stock ECU? They claim about 8-12 HP gain...cost ~$500.

2) Standalone EMS. MS3, AEM, Hydra, etc. Cost $700 and up. No PNP available for my '04 with VVT at this time.

3) Piggyback. Xede, AEM FI/C, eManage, etc. Cost $400 and up. PNP available (harness is expensive).

I don't plan on making any more power mods such as Forced-induction. Any thoughts or recommendations on this subject? Thanks

Dynotronic. Rofl. Good times bro.

this place is pretty dedicated to f/i via turbo and you can't make any real power unless you run a standalone
you prob aren't going to have an answer spoon fed to you here on how to cheaply tune your car for a few bolt ons

If you have plans to make real power reflash is a waste of 500 bucks you can put towards a turbo kit.

I always find it amusing how people are looking for "cheap power mods" and always get the most expensive ones just because they are cheaper per mod.

Shanghai kit will give you about 50-70hp out of the box ~2k with a standalone. thats about 25-40 bucks per hp. Add an intercooler and injectors, you're up to 200 on the wheels.
A full exhaust, headers, CAI, reflash, and few other garbage mods add up to 1k easily for what? 10 hp total? Thats 100 bucks per hp.

You're not going to feel 10 hp however you'll definitely notice 50hp.

Is that a thumbs up or don't waste my time with Dynotronics.

lolol

if anyone is stupid enough to pay $500 for a reflash vs a 700 MS3 they deserve to ride the yellow bus

The term "аnal fissure" comes to mind.

Dont remember if it was dynotronic or whatever but i remember asking for info on the stock ignition maps.. the guy was a complete asshole. When he realized he wasnt going to bullshit me with his prep talk to sell me his 500 bucks scam *cough cough*. He decided to say pay me 250 bucks for a map or dont bother me again...last time we talked. The dude was also a sponsor on m.net.

Reverant offers an Enhanced MS2 that's PnP for your car (and controls the VVT properly).

It might have been TDR. No, not Track Dog Racing, but Tuning Done Right.


This is an example of the awesome customer support and tune you get from TDR's reflashes:

No, that's not a joke:

MX-5 Miata Forum - View Single Post - TDR announces FREE Tunes.


His business name is ironic at best.

I wonder how mad TrackDogRacing is that these guys exist lolz

look at his sig. ill wait for the "lol" reply.

olo

i c wut u did thar.

Thanks for the advice.

I've seen his posts. Anyone out there personally bought one of his MS2 packages?

there's actually a thread about that very same thing.


Cliffs: Do not fear a Reverant built unit; embrace.

No, nobody has ever done that. It's not like there was an entire thread created by another noob just to ask that.

Why don't you start reading, PhilM, before you are banned. Try "advanced search -> sort by relevancy" and/or google search with the site name in the search.

https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquir...ing-one-69186/

I thought it was TrackDogRacing, and based on their rep thought it was surprising they did such shoddy work.

based on that I guess they're very mad.

Irony of the company name is amazing.

Nope, just searched my history, definitely dynotronics. the members name is "dynotronics1".

LOL at Tunning Done Right.... Should be TDW.

There is a post right now on my local forum of a guy who went dynotronics, I remember his request for info. I said get a megasquirt, he said but what about "butt dyno/reflash/smog legal".

He now has a 5000 word post about how the guy pretty much took his ecu, waved his hand behind a curtain, and took his money. The first ECU he sent was DOA when he got it back. The second ECU only adjusted the timing randomly, no other adjustments to fuel, etc. To top it off the customer service is great until he actually deposits your money, then its just the cold shoulder.

sounds awesome. Its a great business because who's going to know if they made 2hp or not.

people on m.net are retarded and reject the idea of the MS.

m.net never left the year 2000. Groundhogs day, every day the posts are the same as before. Seriously, it is like a time capsule over there.

year 2000? they still talk of MSD boxes, Bipes, and 5th injectors. They havent left 1974.

As much as it pains me to say this, in his defense that was his response to looking at a log of a Dynotronics tune.

Hmm how is he taking logs with a stock ecu?

LOL

Letter To Flying Miata. Re: DP Tune. And FM’s Response…

Holy shit ^^

He certainly sounds like he knows what he's talking about

I truly cannot believe how stupid people are over on M.net. I already expressed my doubts about dynotronics back in 2010. Nobody cared but now they're fucked :loser:
It's amazing that they (and a couple other 'companies' on M.net) are still in business.
Probably appropriate to use one of these on them :vash2:.

Haha, same post over on M.net was deleted because I'm saying bad things about Dynotronics. Probably a paying advertiser.

Cocksmokers like Phil belong on that forum. I'm glad he migrated over there. The wine-n-cheeze crowd will love him and his stupid questions tenderly

No need for badmouthing, he manned up and ordered an MS3. :)

Good for him. No, seriously. I think I saw posts from him on CR and M.net as well as here on MT and everyone pretty much said the same thing. You've got a hell of a rep Rev

Well except CR. Hyper stepped in to set everyone on the path to glory: http://clubroadster.net/vb_forum/58-...anagement.html

No serious, go read it :giggle:

Ow my brain.

No, I want to build a computerized setup so I don't have to control the fuel system. That's what computers are for!

And just look at all the time and effort I wasted asking opinions about methods to manage fuel. Next post I'll go directly to 18psi for his wisdom...he must have written the "book", you know!

You can bitch and moan, but ultimately you went with the best option, which is what we were suggesting from the start. So really, you're agreeing with is and acknowledging our sound advice, just wanting to be an ass about it because we didn't suck your dick while giving it to you.

Don't worry, we still love you too. :)

PS: your PM's to multiple users calling us out for our harsh posts was cute.

How about read any of the very informative threads that answer all these questions first next time.

You seem to think our responses are the problem. They are not. The problem is you asked a question that has been asked so many times that there is a sticky in the DIY section to answer it.

Don't blame us for your lack of research.

On the contrary. My research has directed me in a logical and pretty much unanimous direction...Reverants MS3. Thanks for your help group.

Asking questions answered in stickies is a guaranteed path to MT.net e-thug glory.