I might be biased, but I'd suggest supporting the shops that actually race on the weekends - they can suggest parts that are going to actually work.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 946578)
I might be biased, but I'd suggest supporting the shops that actually race on the weekends - they can suggest parts that are going to actually work.
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Ordered
Boundary Engineering Street/Strip Billet oil pump Wiseco 83.5mm 8.6:1 Pistons Eagle H-Beam Rods Comp Clutch 13lb Steel Flywheel SPEC Stage 3 clutch kit ARP main studs ARP head studs ARP rod bolts MegaSquirt MS2 Enhanced Left to order: Complete Gasket set ACL Race Rod Bearings ACL Race Main Bearings ACL Thrust Bearings Mazda Competition Motor Mounts |
looks good
make sure you get the right headgasket for the coolant reroute. |
Originally Posted by soviet
(Post 947562)
looks good
make sure you get the right headgasket for the coolant reroute. |
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What do you make of these marks? These are the new eagle rods, these marks are not able to be felt but can be seen under certain angles.
I've outlined them https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1352569262 Also, here there are 2 perfectly straight lines across, again, cannot be felt, but only one rod has them. The outline in the further rod shows where the marks would be (but only one has these). https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1352569262 Im sure its no big deal, but just being ----. Also got my flywheel, main studs, and a sweet mishimoto magnetic drain plug (someone said this is very important for breakin because it will keep any loose particles from the rings down below after they get seated in) Would running a thicker oil help increase engine life? I've always used 5W-30 in this car, but with the new stuff, maybe it makes sense to go higher? It's gonna get one oil change a year so cost of oil is not a question or issue. |
Search the forum for coolant reroute info. It is necessary. The cylinders don't get equal coolant flow as your car is set up now due to the fwd origins of the engine. Its not enough to matter at stock levels, but at ~275whp it will.
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Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 948429)
Search the forum for coolant reroute info. It is necessary. The cylinders don't get equal coolant flow as your car is set up now due to the fwd origins of the engine. Its not enough to matter at stock levels, but at ~275whp it will.
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 948430)
I had a few guys who track their cars regularly say that if it's going to be a track car, it's needed, but for my uses, it's not. I ordered OEM headgasket so no coolant reroute ATM.
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Word for word what I was told, and I trust this guy as he's always got good information
"Cylinder #4 ran hot in the NA Miata for two reasons: inadequate coolant flow and injector #4 was fed last from the fuel rail. So it wasn't cooled as well and got less fuel than the other cylinders - double whammy. Mazda cleaned things up with the head gasket and fuel rail changes. More coolant passes around 4 and it sips first from the NB fuel rails. A re-route *might* make a difference on a track car (my buddy Mr. Hyde did a reroute on his, but he changed the head gasket to the older front-wheel-drive version). If I were building an engine for a dual-purpose car (a little track work, lots of street use), I wouldn't worry about a re-route. Most rear-drive cars put water into the same end of the engine that it comes out of." |
Any feedback on the clutch? I ordered the spec stage 3 but after some reading am having doubts. Its a 6 puck so im expecting it to be noisy, the grabby part doesnt bother me too too much. Any alternatives i should consider? I can exhange for something else before i install
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im curious as to why anyone buys anything but FMI or II, or the 949 clutch.
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 948543)
Any feedback on the clutch? I ordered the spec stage 3 but after some reading am having doubts. Its a 6 puck so im expecting it to be noisy, the grabby part doesnt bother me too too much. Any alternatives i should consider? I can exhange for something else before i install
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 948580)
Buy the FM2 clutch and call it a day.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 948581)
so buy a spec stage 3?
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I'm pretty sure that was a facetious remark.
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You don't say..
So between fm, clutchmasters, competition, and act which has the better rep and can hold 300. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 948581)
so buy a spec stage 3?
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They run a pie?
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 948832)
You don't say..
So between fm, clutchmasters, competition, and act which has the better rep and can hold 300. |
Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 948832)
You don't say..
So between fm, clutchmasters, competition, and act which has the better rep and can hold 300.
Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 948580)
Buy the FM2 clutch and call it a day.
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I don't know if this will work, but here is a search for 'clutch' in the suspension and drivetrain section. It has all the answers you need.
https://www.miataturbo.net/search.php?searchid=2565660 |
Well I went with FM level 2.
Also when I picked up some extra things from the shop today, I noticed the vin plate on my oil pan doesn't match the vin of my actual car. I looked and the VIN of the car for the pan and it was done in March. My VIN rolled off the line mid-April. Is it common for these numbers to be mismatched? I bought the car stock with 35,000 miles, dunno if maybe someone had an issue before I bought the car but there was no damage to the underside to suggest that a pan would have been broken and swapped. |
Also, what's the correct procedure to fully eliminate A/C. Is there a new belt involved? What should be removed all-together? Compressor and lines? Condenser?
I hear the real proper way to go manual steering is to replace with a manual rack. I also hear it can be done by looping some line? Anyone care to explain one vs the other? |
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Replacement pans have no VIN. Your motor was swapped before you bought the car.
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Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 950633)
Replacement pans have no VIN. Your motor was swapped before you bought the car.
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 950730)
Makes me wonder what happened to engine 1, and how many miles are really on engine 2 if thats the case.
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I did basically the same engine build and put on a BEGI cast set up with GTX2867 turbo and external waste gate. The car dyno'ed at 290 WHP @ 15 PSI boost. The GTX2867 is so efficent it is amazing.
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Originally Posted by Mazdaspeeder
(Post 944160)
Pretty set on everything aside from rods, pistons, and clutch.
Pistons (wiseco or supertech) (8.6:1 compression either way) Rods (Eagle, K1, Manley) Clutch (Comp, ACT, etc.) Is Boundary Engineering oil pump really necessary? Give me some input on which rod and piston combo you'd choose of the ones I've listed and why. All are priced similarly. |
I forgot to mention that below 275HP. I would by a high quality pump and not be concerned. The boundry Engineering pump is a very good product, but costly and does not address the base cause.
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The ATI damper is more expensive than the Boundary oil pump, and there's no guarantee that the ATI damper will solve the issue. There is, however, a relative amount of certainty that a BE pump will not fail due to standard crank flex at 300+whp. Those of us that race all have Boundary pumps, so take that as you will.
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BE Pump should be the second item on your "to buy" list.
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Originally Posted by TNTUBA
(Post 950833)
BE Pump should be the second item on your "to buy" list.
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Originally Posted by Bochinam
(Post 951958)
Which B pump, there are three of them?
If it is a street car without a VVT head you are fine with a street pump. If you have a VVT head or it is a track car I would suggest the race pump. |
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Since I have an MSM do I still need to tap the oilpan for a return? Isn't there one already in place for the stock turbo that I can use?
I mean use for the EFR, not the stocker, obviously I know that would work. Driver's side of MSM pan https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1354244884 |
This may seem silly but do I keep my oil squirters? I read somewhere that with the FM Wisecos you have to remove them? I got the non-FM 8.6:1 version.
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For the SuperMiata damper, do I order without a trigger wheel? Car is a 2004 Mazdaspeed going to run Raverant MS2 enhanced.
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Just wanted to thank everyone who participated and helped me through this. Engine is complete and I'm getting it friday morning.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 I also came across a bit of extra money so I pulled the trigger on a SuperMiata 4T wheel damper. Figure it can only help solidify this new motor. Also got some other things to prep for more power, again, thanks to a lot of the info given to me here https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 Finally, through all of this, I found a vin plate on my oilpan. It didn't match the VIN of the car, so I ran a report. Wonder what happened to the original engine too https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1355354065 |
whatever the case, you got a real low mileage motor put in.
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Why are people recommending FM stage 2 clutch when they are meant for over 300whp? Wouldn't it be be unnecessary heavy clutch pedal for his power level?
(I am asking because I am doing a build very close to the OP's and just ordered a FM stage 1 happy meal... Do I need to change to the stage 2 happy meal?) |
pedal feels stock and can handle almost anything you throw at it.
turn down the disrepect and stop questioning us. |
I don't mean to disrespect anyone.
I was wondering because I have ordered the stage 1 FM happy meal for my car that I am building with the similar power goals as the op. Since people were recommending the stage 2 clutch, I was thinking maybe there was something wrong with the stage 1 clutch from FM that I can not seem to bring up by searching. I was just going by what fm said on their site about stage 2 being ...for "Serious HP" cars only. Pedal effort is substantial, so if you don`t have 300 hp or more... Thank you for answering my noob questions... |
if you really don't plan to exceed the 275whp the stg1 should be ok
if later you get the itch for more, and most do, then it won't hold up too long above that. so basically yes and no |
Stg1 is fine. But driving both, I wouldn't call the FM2 effort substantial, I'd call it a little heavier. the ACT XT was substantial, the Clutchnet Dual-Diaphragm Stg3 was SUBSTANTIAL, the FM2...hardly noticed.
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Pedal pressure on the FM level 2 clutch is not bad at all anyone who thinks that is a heavy clutch pedal has never driven a cobra mustang.
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hell, even a Mustang GT.
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I DD with an FM2 clutch and I don't even mind it in heavy traffic. It is heavier than stock but you get use to it in no time and I think it has better feel to it, as in the point of engagement is much easier to feel in the pedal.
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Car is done and while the clutch is stiffer, it's totally doable and once you get some miles on it, gets easier. Car runs great too and just got tuned for 12psi on the stock turbo while I wait for my EFR manifold to arrive. The fun continues!
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updates? I'm about to purchase a bunch of parts, and our builds are looking quite similar :D
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Did you have problems with the main studs and the MBSP?
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Yes, the machine shop cut the MBSP like so to fit them. They also de-burred the MBSP for me :)
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1365862584 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1365862584 https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1365862584 |
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