1990 NA6 Kraken Turbo - Less power than expected
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Hi everyone, first post here. I recently went turbo on my 1990 SNC NA6 with a Kraken 2560 kit. Running 6 PSI on CA 91octane fuel, I’m a bit underwhelmed by the power numbers. The torque graph isn’t zeroed properly, but the power graph is accurate. I’m a bit confused as to why I didn’t make more power. I expected roughly 150 whp.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...f83974d812.png Setup at time of dyno was:
My tune is attached. My tuner, Jei at Blacktrax, mentioned issues with heat, so I think the spark map may be conservative? I am not sure though since I am new to tuning. We weren’t getting any misfiring or spark blowout. Jei suspected excessive exhaust back pressure or crank case pressure. What do you guys think my problem could be? I recently installed:
I’m planning to go to the dyno again on 7/6 to turn up the boost. Anything else I should do to ensure max power? Thanks in advance! |
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Maybe this sharp bend at the compressor outlet is too restrictive? Also, I forgot to mention, compression test results were 150/140/140/150. Leakdown test results were 10/15/15/10. I was hearing leakage from the tailpipe on cylinders 2 and 3. |
Looks about right. 100 x (14.7+6)/14.7 ~= 140.
If you want more you need to turn it up. |
Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
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Looks about right. 100 x (14.7+6)/14.7 ~= 140.
If you want more you need to turn it up. |
Move the WG reference to the outlet of the intercooler.
Hard to say about "normal"... it does appear to be ... not great. |
Consider replacing the 135* Si elbow with a 90* one - the 135* elbow looks like it's kinked.
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
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Move the WG reference to the outlet of the intercooler.
Hard to say about "normal"... it does appear to be ... not great. |
Originally Posted by Lokiel
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Consider replacing the 135* Si elbow with a 90* one - the 135* elbow looks like it's kinked.
The 3-bolt compressor housing outlet and adapter make the silicone elbow sit too high. The only solution I had was to cut it. I think even with it cut, it still gets smushed by the hood a bit… I think anybody with an NA who orders a kraken kit needs to specifically request the circular compressor outlet to avoid this issue. I didn’t know. So you think the intake tubing is too restrictive there? I was hoping that wasn’t it because fixing it would be laborious. |
Originally Posted by pingas
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I have been meaning to do this. I should expect WG opening later from this, right?
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Where's the log from the dyno pull? It's all guessing without it
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
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Not really, but it should compensate for pressure losses caused by restrictions between the turbo and the outlet of the intercooler, like that less than optimal bend you got there.
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Originally Posted by SpartanSV
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Where's the log from the dyno pull? It's all guessing without it
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Originally Posted by SpartanSV
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Where's the log from the dyno pull? It's all guessing without it
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The kink in intake doesn’t help……I also wonder what the afr was.
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Originally Posted by icemang17
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The kink in intake doesn’t help……I also wonder what the afr was.
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I went out and did some pulls. Here are the logs for anyone curious
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Post a screen shot of a pull from roughly 2krpm to 7krpm with MAP, RPM, spark advance, AFR, and injector pulse width. Put the cursor at ~5500rpm
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Originally Posted by Ted75zcar
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Looks about right. 100 x (14.7+6)/14.7 ~= 140.
If you want more you need to turn it up. Edit - re-looked at figures. Say 136hp@ hubs = estimated c.152bhp at fly. 152/(14.5+6)*14.5 = c.108 hp fly NA equivalent. Don't know what yours would book at standard. Potentially a little low. |
Originally Posted by pingas
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Also, I forgot to mention, compression test results were 150/140/140/150. Leakdown test results were 10/15/15/10. I was hearing leakage from the tailpipe on cylinders 2 and 3.
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Compression and leakdown indicates the engine is tired so it kind of makes sense that it's struggling. Also not good that the exhaust valves in cylinders 2 and 3 don't seal very well.
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