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2.0...ish, But for REAL this time.
84.5 mm wiseco 10:1 pistons
Manley H-beam rods supertech springs, +1 valves 00 bp4w head, ported, polished, VICS intake ran by Rpm Switch OE crank, Exhintake from 99' bp4w ACL bearings Boundry oil pump Rx8 Yellow injectors I think that @14 psi will get me the 275 wtq(on a mustang dyno @4600' elevation) carrot im chasing. (godspeed t3/t4, cast manifold, 2.5" turbo back, MSPNP2) |
Will an 84.5mm bored block survive 14psi long enough to break in and dyno?
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1340123)
Will an 84.5mm bored block survive 14psi long enough to break in and dyno?
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That compression seems pretty high, as well, unless this thing will be on E85.
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Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1340123)
Will an 84.5mm bored block survive 14psi long enough to break in and dyno?
The machinist doing the work is extremely confident. He even told me they make 85.5mm pistons if I want to go bigger. I turned down that option. |
Originally Posted by Pretending2koolz
(Post 1340130)
Only 1 way to find out!
The machinist doing the work is extremely confident. He even told me they make 85.5mm pistons if I want to go bigger. I turned down that option. |
Originally Posted by Savington
(Post 1340125)
With a 2.5" exhaust and 420cc injectors? Sure.
OOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <<<<<---------- Find the hang up |
Originally Posted by Pretending2koolz
(Post 1340135)
Injectors may have to get sized up I agree, but if the outlet is 2.5" there isn't a reason to go 3" the hang up is still where it is 2.5".
OOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO <<<<<---------- Find the hang up I'm not even going to take the time to pick apart the rest of the posts and how flawed your logic is. |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1340138)
You need to be a lot less stupid if you want to make big power.
I'm not even going to take the time to pick apart the rest of the posts and how flawed your logic is. |
Originally Posted by Pretending2koolz
(Post 1340142)
I'm so bored with hearing " 3" will get you more power" to the point that I'm going to build one to show the "HUGE GAINS" that you don't get.
We have decades of collective experiences and knowledge to fall back on, and here you are about to change the world. So go ahead and do it. But here's the catch: DO IT, then talk crap and tell us all how wrong we were. Not vice versa. I'm gonna hold my breath, I know you're good for it...........bro
Originally Posted by Pretending2koolz
(Post 1340117)
84.5 mm wiseco 10:1 pistons
Manley H-beam rods supertech springs, +1 valves 00 bp4w head, ported, polished, VICS intake ran by Rpm Switch OE crank, Exhintake from 99' bp4w ACL bearings Boundry oil pump Rx8 Yellow injectors I think that @14 psi will get me the 275 wtq(on a mustang dyno @4600' elevation) carrot im chasing. (godspeed t3/t4, cast manifold, 2.5" turbo back, MSPNP2) |
I gained about 400-500rpm of spool switching to a 3" exhaust.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1340143)
I'm so bored with every n00b that comes here thinking they can re-invent the wheel cause they can build fast cars in their dreams.
We have decades of collective experiences and knowledge to fall back on, and here you are about to change the world. So go ahead and do it. But here's the catch: DO IT, then talk crap and tell us all how wrong we were. Not vice versa. I'm gonna hold my breath, I know you're good for it...........bro re-quoting the awesome list that will make us all eat dirt
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1340153)
I gained about 400-500rpm of spool switching to a 3" exhaust.
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More boost at 3500rpm = more air at 3500rpm = more power at 3500rpm... you seem kind of stupid.
No idea if I make more power up top. I'm limited by rods. If you don't care about spool run a giant turbo and make more power. |
Originally Posted by Pretending2koolz
(Post 1340155)
I guess I missed my post about how this is going to be the fastest car ever built, but hey I'm not a moderator so I don't know anything.
Then you listed a chinacharger, a log mani, and rx7 440's along with 2.5" exhaust. Then you tried to mouth off to andrew when he pointed out how silly that was. You just MIGHT have been able to do that on e85, running astronomical timing and as much boost as possible in the midrange. But 440's will top out at 200 on e85, and you're not getting there on pump gas with that mod list. So yeah...... |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1340156)
More boost at 3500rpm = more air at 3500rpm = more power at 3500rpm... you seem kind of stupid.
No idea if I make more power up top. I'm limited by rods. If you don't care about spool run a giant turbo and make more power. |
Originally Posted by Pretending2koolz
(Post 1340158)
Hence the t3/t4. 3500 rpm is a long way from 7200. I guess I should have been specific in asking if you had a greater max hp/tq not limited to a low rpm application.
.........unless we're talking about diesels I love how people with silly claims always challenge the opposing side to prove their statements. Why don't you prove yours. Show me dyno plots back to back of a 300whp BP not losing power going from 3" to 2.5" |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1340157)
275wtq on a mustang dyno (assuming it's not calibrated to the moon) at 4600 elevation is serious power. It would have to make 316wtq on a dynojet, which means it will have to make at least that much power, usually 20 more.
Then you listed a chinacharger, a log mani, and rx7 440's along with 2.5" exhaust. Then you tried to mouth off to andrew when he pointed out how silly that was. You just MIGHT have been able to do that on e85, running astronomical timing and as much boost as possible in the midrange. But 440's will top out at 200 on e85, and you're not getting there on pump gas with that mod list. So yeah...... |
here
less boost and still gained 10hp https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-tim...exhaust-64145/ here's more
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 961510)
bullshit.
my BEGI 2.25" to 2.5" DP, to 2.25" cat, to 2.25" borla exhaust to the same Begi 2.25" to 2.5" DP, 3" cat, and 3" catback: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1356112243 same dyno. same boost*. *was getting creep, so i lifted. |
failfailfailfailfailfailfailfailfailfailfailyoufai lfailfailfailfail <-- can you spot the hangup?
lol I'm going to bed |
Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1340162)
failfailfailfailfailfailfailfailfailfailfailyoufai lfailfailfailfail <-- can you spot the hangup?
lol I'm going to bed OP- the idea that a 3" exhaust connected to a 2.5" turbine outlet is flawed. You're right that 2.5 is smaller. But if you run a 2.5" pipe all the way back, and measure the backpressure at the outlet of the turbine, and then do the same test with a 3" pipe all the way back, the 3" pipe will show less backpressure on the turbine. Less backpressure will mean a higher mass flow rate at a given boost level, thus more power and better spool. Sure going from a 3" to 8" exhaust won't make much difference for the reason you mentioned, but going from 2.5" to 3" is well-proven to be worth it. |
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