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Full_Tilt_Boogie 02-11-2012 04:29 AM

Why so little compression?
Shitty gas?

emilio700 02-11-2012 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 833730)
Why so little compression?
Shitty gas?

F/I in the works. In which case, it's a bunch of compression :)

emilio700 02-11-2012 04:32 AM

2 Attachment(s)
The culprit

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1328952758

Reverant 02-11-2012 04:32 AM

I did notice some components missing; most notably the ATI damper and a crank scraper. Budget issues? Also why no VVT?

Anyway, great numbers. Really eager to see what this baby does with more tuning, a better manifold and E85.

emilio700 02-11-2012 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Reverant (Post 833733)
I did notice some components missing; most notably the ATI damper and a crank scraper. Budget issues? Also why no VVT?

Anyway, great numbers. Really eager to see what this baby does with more tuning, a better manifold and E85.

Custom crank scraper and baffle. ATI damper not needed, particularly with BE pump gears. We started this engine project two years ago, before I was confident we could get VVT management working smoothly. Now of course, it's easy. But the head is done and has a lot of work in it. So we'll run it as is and just give up some torque. C'est la vie.

emilio700 02-11-2012 05:16 AM

Oh yeah, ARP head and main studs.

mx594m 02-11-2012 06:12 AM

what is the bracket between the radiator and engine supporting, an oil cooler of some sorts? or?

plenty of room for the Rotrex

emilio700 02-11-2012 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by mx594m (Post 833740)
what is the bracket between the radiator and engine supporting, an oil cooler of some sorts? or?

plenty of room for the Rotrex

Oil cooler

glade 02-11-2012 09:56 AM

So, what kind of power are you hoping to generate with fi?

I've noticed that you list 300 whp as a safe limit with the 85.5 mm pistons, but with the use of e85, I'd wager you are hoping to get to 400ish?

Faeflora 02-11-2012 10:32 AM

Flat timing above 6500?

emilio700 02-11-2012 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by glade (Post 833755)
So, what kind of power are you hoping to generate with fi?

I've noticed that you list 300 whp as a safe limit with the 85.5 mm pistons, but with the use of e85, I'd wager you are hoping to get to 400ish?

I'm not set on a power number. To reach the lap time and race goals I have for the car I think it will need 350-400whp. If we have a bore related problem we will build another one with smaller pistons, 11.0:1 and a VVT head.

18psi 02-11-2012 10:41 AM

Oh how Id love to see this thing mated to a borg on e85.
Also, and this may be a dumb question, but: what is the big dip in hp/tq at 3800ish?

hustler 02-11-2012 10:44 AM

I have an 11.5:1, knife crank, 85mm bore, ported 99 head in the garage. It's really sad because it needs a car, VVT head, and MS3x. I should also note that its not "my engine", lol.

It will be interesting to see what my stock VVT engine does on sweet, Texas 93-octane. I wonder how it will compare. Are you det limited or did you see MBT at peak efficiency range? I love peak-efficiency at ~6000rpm, lol.

hustler 02-11-2012 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 833760)
I'm not set on a power number. To reach the lap time and race goals I have for the car I think it will need 350-400whp. If we have a bore related problem we will build another one with smaller pistons, 11.0:1 and a VVT head.

Sleeves ftw!!!

emilio700 02-11-2012 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Faeflora (Post 833759)
Flat timing above 6500?

No, it ramps just a little bit. I think that flat power on the top end is more airflowc related than anything else. Probably intake manifold but possibly cam timing too. Steve did not give me recommended lobe centers so my starting point straight up could be way off.

For those asking questions about the tune, power band and such, it only has a rough tune now. It will get some other hardware and a lot more tuning so don't read too much into where it is now.

hustler 02-11-2012 10:52 AM

This thread burns my ass. If we had the knowledge we had today when I bought all this turbo ----, I'd have a 10-11:1 bottom end, VVT head, and probably 180whp rather than another $5000 in turbo stuff so I can turn the boost down to ~210whp.

Midtenn 02-11-2012 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 833770)
This thread burns my ass. If we had the knowledge we had today when I bought all this turbo ----, I'd have a 10-11:1 bottom end, VVT head, and probably 180whp rather than another $5000 in turbo stuff so I can turn the boost down to ~210whp.

I know. It has me debating buying a cheap roller and building a VVT track car instead of pursuing a turbo TTB-A car. I got the chance to drive a CSP car with 150whp and it was amazing to drive. The simplicity and reduced thermal load of a NA car is very tempting given what my track budget may end up being.

hustler 02-11-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Midtenn (Post 833776)
The[redacted] reduced thermal load of a NA car is very tempting given what my track budget may end up being.

I'm not so sure a 200hp NA car makes less heat than a 200whp turbo car.

Midtenn 02-11-2012 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 833781)
I'm not so sure a 200hp NA car makes less heat than a 200whp turbo car.

True. I should have worded that better. I could live with 150-170 whp if it meant keeping inside the confines of a budget and reduced maintenance costs.

emilio700 02-11-2012 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 833781)
I'm not so sure a 200hp NA car makes less heat than a 200whp turbo car.

Wrap the 400 dollar header. Notice the size of the radiator?


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