+2mm ST Exh Valve VVT 1.8, w/8.6:1: must ct relief?
Am investigating fitment of +2mm Exhaust Valves in 1.8 VVT motor.
949Racing website says that the +2mm valves require claying and cutting custom pockets into Pistons. I am on 8.6:1 Supertech pistons, and I presume 949Racing typically refers to high compression 11:1+ NA motor: does anybody know if +2mm valves clear 8.6:1 pistons, or not? |
Pretty sure it has to do with the reliefs cut into the pistons, not just how tall the pistons are. If you look at 8.6:1 pistons they still have the relief pockets cut into them.
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Yes, I can see that.
Was hoping low compression pistons have generous reliefs. Perhaps not. Turns out Supertech seems to make these valves for Duratec, not for NB Miata: therefore they know nothing about it. |
You will need to cut larger diameter reliefs.
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So if I am following this correctly, reliefs are made to clear adequately +1mm valves, but for +2mm exhaust relief should be increased +1mm in diameter compared to what is currently on the 8.6 Supertech piston?
Since lift is not changed, only diameter, does this make perfect sense, or am I missing something? If cutting relief I would like to do it right away, and assemble. I am not chasing every bit of power, but trying to make it right the first time. Going per recommendation of Emilio who pioneered this +2mm this is the appropriate solution to optimize our heads. |
Originally Posted by alpinaturbo
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So if I am following this correctly, reliefs are made to clear adequately +1mm valves, but for +2mm exhaust relief should be increased +1mm in diameter compared to what is currently on the 8.6 Supertech piston?
Since lift is not changed, only diameter, does this make perfect sense, or am I missing something? If cutting relief I would like to do it right away, and assemble. I am not chasing every bit of power, but trying to make it right the first time. Going per recommendation of Emilio who pioneered this +2mm this is the appropriate solution to optimize our heads. |
pretty sure it will not clear. I think JasonC experimented with even stock valves and they touched at full advance. (search vvt = interference or something along those lines)
but looks like cyontani will get you the final answer |
Miata2fast on here has conflicted +1 valves with 12 to 1 pistons, but at the outside edge where they weren't clearanced far enough when cast. If you are +2 you will need to get them flycut to match.
BTW, that's a big valve. |
Originally Posted by cyotani
(Post 1275404)
Let me ask Mike Keegan, he is the engine builder who builds most of 949's engines.
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Thank you Cyotani,
By open up, you/Keegan mean open up diameter of relief +1mm perhaps? Or also deepen the relief (increase the depth of cut)? |
Originally Posted by alpinaturbo
(Post 1275458)
Thank you Cyotani,
By open up, you/Keegan mean open up diameter of relief +1mm perhaps? Or also deepen the relief (increase the depth of cut)? |
Make sure you leave a final .1-.12" clearance between the valve face and the piston and valve edge and reliefs to allow for thermal expansion.
If you plan to go aftermarket cams (more lift/duration) at all in the future, make sure to calculate that in the final measurements. |
Instead of starting a new thread, I'll ask the question here regarding the 30mm (+2) exhaust valves.
Is there enough meat in the stock valve seat for a 30mm valve or will a new uncut (or possibly larger) seat need to be installed? It looks like the stock seat has a ~32mm OD which should be sufficient, but I would love to hear from someone that has installed 30mm valves. |
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