515whp EFR6758 build
Just a data point, thought I'd share.
We no longer offer built engines. This one we shipped to a customer back in 2015. TSE EFR6758 E85 84.0mm 9.0:1 pistons Moldex billet crank Tomei cams Supermiata CNC BP6D head, +1 stainless intake, +2 Inconel exhaust Carrillo H beams Billet oil pump gears Supermiata damper ACL bearings Oil pan baffle plate Supertech heavy double valve springs Supermiata SUBs I think this motor still has more on tap with additional tuning. For reference, we made around 440whp with a 6258 and stock cams on a similar build.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...500eb7d1ba.jpg |
Thats a lot of power, thats awesome. But has a Garrett guy I have to wonder why these EFR turbos arent spooling faster. I thought they were the best spooling turbos ever? I must say though thats a nice looking curve inspite of the slower than expected spool.
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The graph might look mis leading. That’s 300hp by 4250rpm, stock cams, less boost, and that curve would flatten out nicely I’m sure.
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Originally Posted by andyfloyd
(Post 1576421)
Thats a lot of power, thats awesome. But has a Garrett guy I have to wonder why these EFR turbos arent spooling faster. I thought they were the best spooling turbos ever? I must say though thats a nice looking curve inspite of the slower than expected spool.
Based on what we have done in our shop, I think this hardware should be capable of another 100whp from 2500-4000, pull to 8,000 and peak at 560whp or so. We once briefly touched 440whp at around 5500 with stock cams with our 6258 before blowing the spark out. I'm convinced we could have hit 450~460whp with IGN1A coils, but we stopped development there. Thus, I think the 6758 with cams has a more in it.
Originally Posted by curly
(Post 1576423)
The graph might look mis leading. That’s 300hp by 4250rpm, stock cams, less boost, and that curve would flatten out nicely I’m sure.
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1576428)
As mentioned in the post, that plot is by no means the maximum that particular hardware combo is capable of. As Josh mentioned, stock cams will spool faster. I just posted because I haven't seen any 6758 plots here. My 420whp 6258 plot with stock cams and a few others around the same on stock NB cams is all.
Based on what we have done in our shop, I think this hardware should be capable of another 100whp from 2500-4000, pull to 8,000 and peak at 560whp or so. We once briefly touched 440whp at around 5500 with stock cams with our 6258 before blowing the spark out. I'm convinced we could have hit 450~460whp with IGN1A coils, but we stopped development there. Thus, I think the 6758 with cams has a more in it. Yarp. Tomei BP6D cams are asleep until 4500 even N/A. Stock cams will spool faster as you said. I remember your allofit 6258 plot at 25-26psi you were making really good power on that as well. |
Originally Posted by andyfloyd
(Post 1576421)
Thats a lot of power, thats awesome. But has a Garrett guy I have to wonder why these EFR turbos arent spooling faster. I thought they were the best spooling turbos ever? I must say though thats a nice looking curve inspite of the slower than expected spool.
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Originally Posted by 18psi
(Post 1576440)
Having tuned the new gtx2863 and efr6258 personally just recently I can say they are similar in spoolup. When compared to the old stuff, it's no contest, efr wins.
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Talking to owner, they had ECU set to cut fuel and spark for rev limiter. They did a routine scoping and notice a tiny bit of det damage to one piston so they're pulling it down to put new pistons in.
I could be wrong but I suspect that fuel cut at rev limit (8400rpm) might be the culprit. Personally I always do hard spark cut on our race engines, leave fuel on. Better to have that latent heat of the fuel mass doing some work cooling bits off on overrun IMO. Made a few other suggestions on tune WRT to spark, VVT and a few other tables. Curious to see how much more they can get out of it. |
Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1576927)
Talking to owner, they had ECU set to cut fuel and spark for rev limiter. They did a routine scoping and notice a tiny bit of det damage to one piston so they're pulling it down to put new pistons in.
I could be wrong but I suspect that fuel cut at rev limit (8400rpm) might be the culprit. Personally I always do hard spark cut on our race engines, leave fuel on. Better to have that latent heat of the fuel mass doing some work cooling bits off on overrun IMO. Made a few other suggestions on tune WRT to spark, VVT and a few other tables. Curious to see how much more they can get out of it. How much damage on the piston? Probably slightly deformed on the intake side I'm guessing. |
Just a tiny dot on one piston. But the owner is playing it safe.
Yah, more fireballs. |
what boost level are you running to get that? Can you share a spark map?
I'm finding that I can't get above 400hp at 27psi on my 6758. But I don't have larger valves or cams. Also, I'm at 5200ft. |
Originally Posted by Mudflap
(Post 1576983)
what boost level are you running to get that? Can you share a spark map?
I'm finding that I can't get above 400hp at 27psi on my 6758. But I don't have larger valves or cams. Also, I'm at 5200ft. |
Originally Posted by Mudflap
(Post 1576983)
what boost level are you running to get that? Can you share a spark map?
I'm finding that I can't get above 400hp at 27psi on my 6758. But I don't have larger valves or cams. Also, I'm at 5200ft. If you haven't already, I'd start a new thread on your tuning questions. I'd want to see screen caps of VVT table, VVT settings, Ignition, boost duty, fuel, AFR targets, injection timing, rev limiter settings and pic of intake... in a new thread. |
Nice numbers :likecat: I'm trying to get same power leves with EFR7163 and stock BP6D head
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What transmission are they using?
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Originally Posted by shuiend
(Post 1577007)
What transmission are they using?
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Originally Posted by emilio700
(Post 1577018)
Don't recall. Not an AZ6 though. When we built this engine for them we let them know a stock AZ6 would frag at half the power this motor would be capable of. So they did some sort of trans swap from the get go.
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What transmission did you use to handle that much power?
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What's holding it back up top? Even if revved to 8000, horsepower has already peaked and started falling off at ~6000. I don't mean that as a slight to the setup at all, just curious.
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Originally Posted by nickalltogether
(Post 1577069)
What's holding it back up top? Even if revved to 8000, horsepower has already peaked and started falling off at ~6000. I don't mean that as a slight to the setup at all, just curious.
Tune is not mine to share. But yeah, on paper, this combo should make a bunch more up top and spool faster as well. |
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