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Old 11-23-2009, 02:21 AM   #1
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Default ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT TUNING GET IN HERE (check my ignition map please)

Ok, first off I apologize for posting this here instead of the Adaptronic subforum, BUT I have a really good (IMO) reason:

I want MAXIMUM amount of people to check my ignition map before I throw it in the car.


The car starts right up and drives but is on the old tune. Everything seems to be in good running condition.

NOW

Here is my new ignition map that I have put together using the maps of y8s, Patsmx5, and Neogenesis (before his tragic dyno trip).



This is run on 99 engine with 9.1:1 pistons, m-tuned rods, new belt/waterpump/gaskets, etc. Tubular mani, hks gt2535, full exhaust with no cat, fmic, 460's, etc. I plan to run this at first on 8psi, then up it to 10, and then 12 which is where I plan to keep it. I MIGHT try 14 but WAYY later.



NOW, if ANY of you notice ANYTHING that is bad, dangerous, or out of the ordinary for such setup PLEASE do not hesitate to let me know so I can change it.

I want the safest/most reliable map on my car. Can't afford to blow **** up the 2nd time around.


Thanx in advance to all that participate

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Old 11-23-2009, 11:10 AM   #2
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I've never blown my engine up running my map. Why do people want to change it so bad? I can see tuning for max hairy edge power, but these are street cars...
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Looks fine, you want to see dangerous I'll show you map ignition map.
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:43 PM   #4
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I've never blown my engine up running my map. Why do people want to change it so bad? I can see tuning for max hairy edge power, but these are street cars...
Its essentially your map, with a few degrees LOWER here and there. So it should be just as safe as, if not a teeny bit safer, than your map.

Thanx guys. I'll give it a go
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it uses the det cans or it gets the hose again.

-length of copper pipe, crush one end and fold it back on itself to create an airtight seal (i find these little 6" long ends at Home Depot Motorsports that work perfectly too). Drill a hole through the crushed part and bolt it to your passenger side motor mount, just in front of the starter/behind the alternator. Attach a barb fitting to the copper and the biggest vinyl tube you can get (the kind of thing you'd use for a refrigerator drain). Big bore = good. Run it into the car, tee it off, drill holes in the sides of a cheap set of construction earmuffs. Not too cheap, you want something that seals around your ears pretty well. Stick the hoses in the sides and listen in amazement as your motor tells you in perfect English, French, Spanish, and specific Afghani dialects when it is detonating.

That timing map looks pretty conservative, though. There are a few things I don't like (I like a little less timing in the 3500-4500 range and a little more from 6k up) but nothing that will immediately explode an engine.
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Looks pretty conservative in boost to me.

On a side note, it took me a min to realize the scaling that the Adaptronic uses, higher hpa on the bottom of the Y axes. Megasquirt uses lower kpa on the bottom and higher on the top.
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Old 11-23-2009, 02:56 PM   #7
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Thanx guys. Yeah, basically every single person I have talked to so far is telling me: DET CANS OR GTFO.


I will not ignore that advice. Not this time around
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I like this showing of how to make..

http://turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?f=...&hilit=det+can
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GREAT WRITEUP thanx.
I'll definitely keep that open when making my det cans
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Old 11-23-2009, 07:12 PM   #10
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There's only one way to do this...the right way.
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Will be making one of these det cans here shortly, thanks for posting that...not trying to hijack this thread sorry.
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I want to make some of these det cans, but I'm afriad they wont work very well over my straight pipe exhaust.

GL btw vlad, hope to see some videos of the car running.
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Just out of curiosity what do your IAT and Coolant temp ignition trims look like?
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My map is posted in the "post your maps" section of the adaptronic.
Both trims are set to exactly what everyone else has.
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det cans are cool. but nothing wrong with someone trying to start on a good conservative map that wont blow ***** up
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det cans are cool. but nothing wrong with someone trying to start on a good conservative map that wont blow ***** up
That is absolutely right.

My plan of attack is make sure the map I throw in there (this one) is absolutely 100% bulletproof. Then dial everything else in (afr's, corrections, boost, etc) and only after everything is a-ok will I hook up the det cans and start touching timing at all.


Thanx to y8s and neo I got a good start on the overall map curve. Thanx to JayL I got a few good maps to look at from a well tuned car. BIG thanx for Patsmx5 for giving me a **** ton of advice and sending his maps too.

So this map is basically everyone's maps put together and dialed back 3-5 degrees almost everywhere.


What do you think of it Brain? Anything you would change?
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Wow. I really learned something today on this forum. Thank you.
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What do you think of it Brain? Anything you would change?
Looks more or less like most out there, what psi are you running, it gets pretty conservative past 160kPa. I run your 160kPa timing at 190kPa myself on a stock 1.6L.

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Well for the next 500 miles I'll be on 8psi "breaking it in" so to speak.

Eventually I want to stay at 12psi or ~180kpa.

And thank you for posting your map.
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Looks fine, but you need to put det cans on and check it out.
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