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f1luva92 04-05-2012 02:00 PM

barely building boost with ebay turbo
 
As the title says, i'm barely building any boost (no matter what i do with the MBC) with my 92 that has an ebay turbo with an internal wastegate. I've searched high and low for boost leaks and cant find any, although there is a slight hiss near the intake manifold. i can't remember if that hiss was always there or if it started around the same time as the boost drop. also it doesnt seem like a boost leak to me since it hits the same 18 in/hg of vacuum as before. i also haven't been able to spot any exhaust leaks before the turbo. i even changed the manifold to turbo gasket just to be safe, to no avail. there is no smoke from the tailpipe so i wonder... is my ebay turbo finally blown but the oil seals are ok? or is that not even possible?

EDIT: forgot to mention that the wastegate has two nipples on it. the upper one I can't blow into, the other blows right out by the rod with hardly any resistance. i can switch the vacuum line with my MBC on it from one to the other and it makes no difference whatsoever.

Braineack 04-05-2012 03:09 PM

what turbo is it?

for the wastegate, you use the top nipple, leave the bottom open.

sturovo 04-05-2012 03:13 PM

Do you have a leaking BOV or recirc valve?
Stationary checks wont work as you can not build boost without driving the car. (Or using anti-lag.)

f1luva92 04-05-2012 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 859496)
what turbo is it?

for the wastegate, you use the top nipple, leave the bottom open.

its a t04e turbo. a/r 60


Originally Posted by sturovo (Post 859500)
Do you have a leaking BOV or recirc valve?
Stationary checks wont work as you can not build boost without driving the car. (Or using anti-lag.)

i've tried tightening the BOV already, no luck :(

wouldnt vacuum reading be different though? i guess i'll have to build a boost leak tester... I was trying to avoid that. :vash:

Braineack 04-05-2012 03:27 PM

well it's not going to build boost on a 1.6L untill like 4.5K or above.

f1luva92 04-05-2012 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 859510)
well it's not going to build boost on a 1.6L untill like 4.5K or above.

it hit full boost well before 5.5 before, now i barely hit 1-2 psi in first at redline and maybe 3 psi in second at redline.

sturovo 04-05-2012 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by f1luva92 (Post 859507)
its a t04e turbo. a/r 60



i've tried tightening the BOV already, no luck :(

wouldnt vacuum reading be different though? i guess i'll have to build a boost leak tester... I was trying to avoid that. :vash:

Is your vacuum measurement after the throttle? If yes, it will not be affected. MAF Idle would be affected though.

Braineack 04-05-2012 03:31 PM

bad coupler? bad turbo gasket?


what's full boost?

f1luva92 04-05-2012 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by sturovo (Post 859514)
Is your vacuum measurement after the throttle? If yes, it will not be affected. MAF Idle would be affected though.

ahh good point!


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 859515)
bad coupler? bad turbo gasket?

what's full boost?

i've checked all the couplers, none have any tears/holes, and all of the pipes are in their couplers fully. and i tried changing the manifold to turbo gasket just to be safe even though it didnt seem to be leaking.

full boost is about 7 psi.

Miater 04-05-2012 03:38 PM

Disconnect the MBC and run just WG.

fooger03 04-05-2012 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by miater (Post 859526)
disconnect the mbc and run just wg.

lol wut?

f1luva92 04-05-2012 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by Miater (Post 859526)
Disconnect the MBC and run just WG.

probably should have, but I haven't tried this yet. i'll give it a shot after work on the way to lowes to get stuff for a boost leak tester. best case scenario is i dont end up having to make one.

triple88a 04-05-2012 03:46 PM

What is the waste gate set as? Why are you using a MBC?

f1luva92 04-05-2012 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 859531)
What is the waste gate set as? Why are you using a MBC?

wastegate is 7 psi, i had bumped it up to 9 at one point but realized it was probably a bad idea and turned it down. it would have made more sense to just remove the MBC i know, but i wanted to have the option to turn it back up.

triple88a 04-05-2012 03:55 PM

While you're still chasing ---- bypass it completely... Less parts, less stuff to narrow down.

f1luva92 04-05-2012 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 859536)
While you're still chasing ---- bypass it completely... Less parts, less stuff to narrow down.

i'll give it a shot. it wont make it any worse, that's for sure.

BogusSVO 04-05-2012 04:18 PM

Are you sure that the waste gate is closed?

Did you have to clock the turbo to fit your car?

Have you moved the wastegate actuator?

Doppelgänger 04-05-2012 04:21 PM

So there are no unusual hissing noises when you try to build boost in higher gears? When my CHRA failed, there was no oil smoke, just a light metallic noise and no boost...but that's with a dual bb turbo, not a chinkacharger.

f1luva92 04-05-2012 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by BogusSVO (Post 859552)
Are you sure that the waste gate is closed?

Did you have to clock the turbo to fit your car?

Have you moved the wastegate actuator?

i havn't pulled the downpipe off to check, but I have moved the flapper with the rod disconnected and it moves freely. also i can pull the rod and it has plenty of resistance.

EDIT: now that i think about it, the rod was pulled out a little bit with the flapper as closed as it would go. i figured that was supposed to be like that for more tension on the flapper making sure it was closed. was i right with my assumption or is my wastegate most likely not closing all the way?

f1luva92 04-05-2012 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Doppelgänger (Post 859554)
So there are no unusual hissing noises when you try to build boost in higher gears? When my CHRA failed, there was no oil smoke, just a light metallic noise and no boost...but that's with a dual bb turbo, not a chinkacharger.

not that i can hear.


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