Originally Posted by Raisin
(Post 1100373)
When I measured the pistons in a laboratory grade scale, the weights came out to:[/IMG]
--Ian |
Originally Posted by codrus
(Post 1100382)
Apparently a very dirty laboratory. :)
--Ian |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1080949)
I wonder how many hours till the ceramic paint is burnt off; 5, 10?
And as for the machining burrs - I've got 3 sets of Supertechs here and none of them look like yours. Although I doubt this - but I'm curious as to weather or not they tried to clean out some of the coating that might have made it's way into places it shouldn't have been? |
Bump from the dead,
I hate threads with "incomplete endings" so I'll try not to do the same here. Everything has been buttoned up on the engine, been doing break-in for the past week or so. Unfortunately my oil pressure sensor kept leaking and I was pulling my hair out why, turns out BSPP threads need to bottom out to seal (doh!). Did a bit of street tuning, so far I've pulled to 5000rpm. Still need to break it in a little longer to be safe before I raise the RPM limit. "Off" boost response is really good with the higher CR this year. I say "OFF" because I'm Rotrex'd and as such I'm boosting so long as I'm on throttle. Hot oil pressure at idle is about 30psi, no piston slap during cold idle. Engine has a bit of a rumble to it now with the built head. I'll be updating with some videos as it gets closer to dyno tune time.
Originally Posted by FAB
(Post 1102293)
I've used the Dart DC2 coating and it still remained perfect after 7k of serious abuse.
And as for the machining burrs - I've got 3 sets of Supertechs here and none of them look like yours. Although I doubt this - but I'm curious as to weather or not they tried to clean out some of the coating that might have made it's way into places it shouldn't have been? If that comment wasn't related to the burrs; I doubt they do any cleanup or need to. Looks like a fairly uniform masked line for where they've sprayed the ceramic coating on. Theres nothing in the path of of the rings or anything that would contact the cylinder walls. |
Where did you get that supertech pistons smooth down?
What did you use for piston to wall clearance on your setup? Using oil squirters or no? Do you burn any oil? If so how much? Sorry for so many questions, but I'm going to start my build soon and I'm trying to get as much info as possible to get it dialed in correctly. |
The oil pressure sensor threads are bspt, not bspp. You have to use a sealant on the threads and the sensor should not bottom out.
|
Did you guys removed oil squirters or jets with coated pistons ? I'm thinking sending mine for coating too and getting rid of the squirters on the NB track car since the engine is in parts right now.
|
^^^ What are the benefits of removing the oil squirters?
Seems to me like you're eliminating some of the protective piston cooling by doing that. |
Originally Posted by my97miata
(Post 1160442)
^^^ What are the benefits of removing the oil squirters?
Seems to me like you're eliminating some of the protective piston cooling by doing that. |
Bob said his oil ran cooler without them. I say, of course it did. But the pistons are hotter because the oil isn't cooling them. If the oil was carrying the heat away from the pistons and out to the oil cooler, then the oil would be a little hotter.
The engine makes more power because the extra little bit of weight of oil on the underside of the pistons and being splattered on the cylinder walls creates a little bit more drag and resistance to movement. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1160491)
Bob said his oil ran cooler without them. I say, of course it did. But the pistons are hotter because the oil isn't cooling them. If the oil was carrying the heat away from the pistons and out to the oil cooler, then the oil would be a little hotter.
The engine makes more power because the extra little bit of weight of oil on the underside of the pistons and being splattered on the cylinder walls creates a little bit more drag and resistance to movement. |
Originally Posted by FAB
(Post 1160498)
Correct - I think a common misunderstanding is that most people think oil has one job, lubrication. It's actually responsible for +/- 40% of engine cooling.
|
As long as it doesn't get too hot, higher combustion temps will increase power. Doubt it's from oil weight on the bottom of the piston and "drag" from a slippery substance used for lubricant.
|
Originally Posted by guttedmiata
(Post 1160758)
As long as it doesn't get too hot, higher combustion temps will increase power. Doubt it's from oil weight on the bottom of the piston and "drag" from a slippery substance used for lubricant.
by removing excess oil from the crank. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1160819)
Crank scrapers make horsepower
by removing excess oil from the crank. |
Originally Posted by kmvguy
(Post 1160414)
Where did you get that supertech pistons smooth down?
What did you use for piston to wall clearance on your setup? Using oil squirters or no? Do you burn any oil? If so how much? Sorry for so many questions, but I'm going to start my build soon and I'm trying to get as much info as possible to get it dialed in correctly. I am running 0.0023" PTW measured after coating, coating is at a maximum thickness of 0.0005"-0.001". No oil burnt, car does not consume any oil.
Originally Posted by jpreston
(Post 1160416)
The oil pressure sensor threads are bspt, not bspp. You have to use a sealant on the threads and the sensor should not bottom out.
Originally Posted by joyrider
(Post 1160419)
Did you guys removed oil squirters or jets with coated pistons ? I'm thinking sending mine for coating too and getting rid of the squirters on the NB track car since the engine is in parts right now.
Originally Posted by my97miata
(Post 1160442)
^^^ What are the benefits of removing the oil squirters?
Seems to me like you're eliminating some of the protective piston cooling by doing that.
Originally Posted by joyrider
(Post 1160458)
Power and less cylinder wash. I don't need piston cooling on N/A track car. I think Bob removed them on his 300+ WHP turbo toy too...
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 1160491)
Bob said his oil ran cooler without them. I say, of course it did. But the pistons are hotter because the oil isn't cooling them. If the oil was carrying the heat away from the pistons and out to the oil cooler, then the oil would be a little hotter.
The engine makes more power because the extra little bit of weight of oil on the underside of the pistons and being splattered on the cylinder walls creates a little bit more drag and resistance to movement. |
Raisin, I was actually talking about top of pistons. Around edge of the intake valves. Did you smooth them out yourself or did you get that done else where?
Are you planning on staying n/a? |
Originally Posted by guttedmiata
(Post 1160887)
Different concept and only effective on motors where the crank counterweights touch the oil-unlike the BP.
Crank scraper technology is OEM equipment on various modern engines from Nissan, BMW, Chrysler, Ford, Mazda, Honda, Toyota, VW, Porsche, GM, Pontiac, Chevrolet, Mitsubishi, Mercedes and many other manufacturers. What is a crank scraper |
Originally Posted by kmvguy
(Post 1160928)
Raisin, I was actually talking about top of pistons. Around edge of the intake valves. Did you smooth them out yourself or did you get that done else where?
Are you planning on staying n/a? To answer your question earlier that I missed: I'm not running oil squirters. Car is currently running a Rotrex since day one. |
Originally Posted by Raisin
(Post 1160967)
Nothing is touched except cleaning the burrs. Supertechs came and were shipped out as is to Calico shortly after.
To answer your question earlier that I missed: I'm not running oil squirters. Car is currently running a Rotrex since day one. I was talking about this but supertech design must be different depending on the CR. https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...s-piston-1-jpg |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:22 PM. |
© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands