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seuss1337 11-20-2013 12:04 AM

Compression Test Questions
 
Hi guy's new user here.
I have an oil leak in my car which was slow enough that I could put a quart of oil every 2 or 3 weeks and be fine with it. Today the leak got worse as I was driving to school and when I got off the highway I heard the engine knocking. I parked at school and had a friend drive me to walmart to get some oil. I ended up replacing 2.5 quarts of oil.

I did a compression test to check if there was damage to the cylinders and got
Dry: 1 - 150 psi, 2 - 149 psi, 3 - 150 psi, 4 150 - psi.
Wet: 1 - 178 psi, 2 - 175 psi, 3 - 178 psi, 4 - 160 psi.

However I forgot to press down the throttle while cranking the engine :vash:, any idea if this would cause a significant error in the readings? I could go and rent the gauge again but I'd rather not.

Thanks in advance

Miater 11-20-2013 12:49 AM

For your test purposes you should be fine. The numbers look normal and the test was done without the throttle open across the board.

Can you tell the if the noise was from the top of the motor (HLAs) or lower like a bearing?

seuss1337 11-20-2013 12:52 AM

No I couldn't, I'm hard of hearing.

Braineack 11-20-2013 07:23 AM

the wet test suggests your rings are failing.

sixshooter 11-20-2013 07:30 AM

The 2.5 quarts of oil suggest your bearings are failing.

Oil leaks can bite you in the ass if you don't keep after them religiously. It's too late now, but it sounds like you should have pulled the dipstick every morning as a preflight check.

seuss1337 11-20-2013 06:31 PM

Car was fine when I started it and wasn't knocking, school is ~60 miles away so the leak could've worsen on the way there, I try to keep on top of maintenance on this car.

Woke up today to find a big puddle of oil in the driveway, so the bearings should be fine as it's a leak.

How big of an issue issue do you guys feel I have on the rings? Is it something I could run with for a few months/years? I track the car so a rebuild/swap is planned to hold fi in the near future.

Leafy 11-21-2013 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by sixshooter (Post 1075112)
The 2.5 quarts of oil suggest your bearings are failing.

Oil leaks can bite you in the ass if you don't keep after them religiously. It's too late now, but it sounds like you should have pulled the dipstick every morning as a preflight check.

Its not that bad, thats only ~1.5 quarts in the car. Some spec miatas race with only 2 quarts in the thing. But the knocking sound suggests that 1.5 quarts was not enough. Its still totally possible that the soft bearings did their job and the short time you ran low on oil only took a bunch of life out of the engine rather than killing it completely.

Braineack 11-21-2013 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by seuss1337 (Post 1075446)
How big of an issue issue do you guys feel I have on the rings? Is it something I could run with for a few months/years? I track the car so a rebuild/swap is planned to hold fi in the near future.

looking at the numbers again i was probably wrong about it. You're even across, and about the same increase across with oil added. fix your leak.

sixshooter 11-21-2013 01:14 PM

I said your bearings were bad because you had the oil low enough to cause a knock. Knock = damaged bearings

seuss1337 11-21-2013 11:34 PM

Oh ok, I tought you meant the bearings where burning up the oil.

Thanks guys I appreciate the input.

HHammerly 11-22-2013 12:12 AM

He did not mention what year the car is, but if he has hydraulic lifters and started suckin a little air with the oil pick up as the oil level was low it may be possible that the lifters started ticking before the bearring had serious damage, it does not take much air in them to make them knock.
Does the car have hydraulic lifters? If it does, did the car kept knocking after running a few minutes once you filled up the oil to the correct level? If it stoped knocking i would fix the leak, skip a few track days and put that money away on an engine pigy bank.

seuss1337 11-22-2013 03:41 PM

Car is a 97 with the original 1.8, I'm relatively new to the miata scene so I"m not to sure if the engine comes with the hydraulic lifters. The knocking went away a few seconds after running with the right amount of oil. The same knocking comes on certain mornings but goes away after a few seconds as well.

Leafy 11-22-2013 03:42 PM

Your knocking just sounds like lifter tick.

Godless Commie 11-22-2013 04:02 PM

The knock, is it a sharp metallic sound, or a deep, thud or THOCK type?

The first would typically be the lifter tick others refer to, and the latter would usually be excessively worn bearing(s) banging on the crank.

vitamin j 11-22-2013 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by seuss1337 (Post 1076110)
Car is a 97 with the original 1.8, I'm relatively new to the miata scene so I"m not to sure if the engine comes with the hydraulic lifters. The knocking went away a few seconds after running with the right amount of oil. The same knocking comes on certain mornings but goes away after a few seconds as well.

Totally normal.


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