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sr20det_28 11-25-2013 06:14 PM

Connecting Rods
 
Hi! i don't usually post alot, because i kinda find my answer most of the time!
But know, i can't find any real answer to my question.(Please feel free to link a thread that i could of miss)

So here the question.
I'm bulding my BP4W this winter, I got my head and block checked(Machining will come later on)
I'm pretty decided on pistons, Wiseco 8.5:1(84 or 84.5).
But i got a bit in a dilema when i started looking for rods, but my choice got down to this :
K1(They are described as lighter then most of the other rods)
Manley(Every body seems to be using them, also pretty cheap)
Eagle(They are the heaviest)

I don't want to spend the big cheeze on Carrillo since other rods seems to handle the power output i'm looking for(350-400whp).

Feel free to suggest any other brands too!

Thanks!

Lokiel 11-25-2013 07:21 PM

After doing some research for my engine build, I settled on K1 rods because they are among the lightest of the Tier-2 brands, and

"K1 has also called upon the experts at ARP fasteners to design special K1 proprietary rod bolts with asymmetrical threads to equally load each thread when under pressure. "
(see 89-05 Mazda Miata Connecting Rods: JSC Speed)

Most engine builders here in Australia recommend Carillo rods since they know that they'll never fail in an MX5 since they're rated at >1000hp but all the brands you listed (K1, Manley, Eagle) can handle 600hp which is double what a high-hp MX5 can deliver anyway so the risk is negligible and they're half the price.

PS: You indicated you want about 350-400hp. Are you aware that you'll run into gearbox issues at these levels? The MSM 6-speed tends to crap out above 300hp and the 6-speeds are the toughest factory gearboxes. I intend to limit mine between 280-290hp because of this. See https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...es-dust-75506/ for a discussion on gearboxes and high-powered MX5s

paNX2K&SE-R 11-25-2013 07:24 PM

Get whatever forged h beams are the cheapest they are all pretty much the same.


Edit:

Here you go: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161143394160

sr20det_28 11-25-2013 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 1076793)
After doing some research for my engine build, I settled on K1 rods because they are among the lightest of the Tier-2 brands, and

"K1 has also called upon the experts at ARP fasteners to design special K1 proprietary rod bolts with asymmetrical threads to equally load each thread when under pressure. "
(see 89-05 Mazda Miata Connecting Rods: JSC Speed)

Most engine builders here in Australia recommend Carillo rods since they know that they'll never fail in an MX5 since they're rated at >1000hp but all the brands you listed (K1, Manley, Eagle) can handle 600hp which is double what a high-hp MX5 can deliver anyway so the risk is negligible and they're half the price.

PS: You indicated you want about 350-400hp. Are you aware that you'll run into gearbox issues at these levels? The MSM 6-speed tends to crap out above 300hp and the 6-speeds are the toughest factory gearboxes. I intend to limit mine between 280-290hp because of this. See https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...es-dust-75506/ for a discussion on gearboxes and high-powered MX5s

i was liking the K1 pretty much, not much seems to be using them tho...


For the tranny, i'm aware, i already got my second 6 speed in stock(msm).

soviet 11-25-2013 10:24 PM

Is there any reason why you're not building a VVT head?
Also any cheapest rods will do. Save your pennies and buy a twin disk clutch instead.

I personally regret not balancing my engine. It runs perfectly well but sounds like a tractor and is quite rough.... and now its toooo lateeee

Leafy 11-25-2013 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 1076793)
PS: You indicated you want about 350-400hp. Are you aware that you'll run into gearbox issues at these levels? The MSM 6-speed tends to crap out above 300hp and the 6-speeds are the toughest factory gearboxes. I intend to limit mine between 280-290hp because of this. See https://www.miataturbo.net/suspensio...es-dust-75506/ for a discussion on gearboxes and high-powered MX5s

Its not power that breaks transmission, its torque. You can crack 400hp (dynojet) on even a 5 speed if you keep the torque to 250ftlbs (I think thats 400000 kg/NM*sqrt(Pi) in Australian torque units) and just rev the car out.

Golferluke 11-26-2013 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by paNX2K&SE-R (Post 1076795)
Get whatever forged h beams are the cheapest they are all pretty much the same.


Edit:

Here you go: For Mazda Miata MX5 323 GTX Ford Escort Connecting Rods Rod Conrods Arp Bolts | eBay

I bought these last night, he shipped them out this morning. I made an offer of 199 plus 16 shipping, he countered and we ended up on 209+16 shipping.
MAZDA1 6L 1 8L B6 BP NB ZM H Beam Rod 5 230" 4pcs A Set w Arp 3 8" Bolts | eBay

Erat 11-26-2013 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1076839)
Is there any reason why you're not building a VVT head?
Also any cheapest rods will do. Save your pennies and buy a twin disk clutch instead.

I personally regret not balancing my engine. It runs perfectly well but sounds like a tractor and is quite rough.... and now its toooo lateeee

This.

Unless you plan on going well above 500hp, and or tracking it. I've noticed a lot of people having great success with cheap rods.

joyrider 11-26-2013 02:22 PM

I went with Manley too. Why, Trackspeed, 949, and other hardcore racers use them, period....

Lokiel 11-26-2013 06:10 PM

... and they sound "Manly"!

Fireindc 11-26-2013 06:42 PM

I like my rods as manly as possible.

sr20det_28 11-26-2013 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1076839)
Is there any reason why you're not building a VVT head?
Also any cheapest rods will do. Save your pennies and buy a twin disk clutch instead.

I personally regret not balancing my engine. It runs perfectly well but sounds like a tractor and is quite rough.... and now its toooo lateeee

Why no vvt? because i got a bp4w in stock. :p


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1076880)
This.

Unless you plan on going well above 500hp, and or tracking it. I've noticed a lot of people having great success with cheap rods.

My head is having a problem with cheap interns... Not that i don't believe you guys, i just CAN'T build an engine, knowing i got cheap ebay interns.


Originally Posted by Lokiel (Post 1077168)
... and they sound "Manly"!

i lol'ed!

soviet 11-26-2013 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by sr20det_28 (Post 1077205)
My head is having a problem with cheap interns... Not that i don't believe you guys, i just CAN'T build an engine, knowing i got cheap ebay interns.

I built my motor with USED internals and a JUNKYARD head I pulled myself at a pick and pull.

Erat 11-27-2013 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by sr20det_28 (Post 1077205)
My head is having a problem with cheap interns... Not that i don't believe you guys, i just CAN'T build an engine, knowing i got cheap ebay interns.

I never said anything about using ebay parts in your head.

You should read around this forum more, even build threads. People have bad luck with ebay head parts. But good luck with the "ebay" rods.

Like i said, people, including myself use scat rods and they work fine.

It's your money. Do what you want with it.

sr20det_28 11-27-2013 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by soviet (Post 1077249)
I built my motor with USED internals and a JUNKYARD head I pulled myself at a pick and pull.

i did'nt it could'nt be done! but for a 100$ishhh difference between ebay and Manley, the choice seems kind of easy, no? Don't forget i live in canada, so shipping and taxes don't make that ebay rod so tasty.


Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1077308)
I never said anything about using ebay parts in your head.

You should read around this forum more, even build threads. People have bad luck with ebay head parts. But good luck with the "ebay" rods.

Like i said, people, including myself use scat rods and they work fine.

It's your money. Do what you want with it.

Sorry, i was talking bottom end :p My bad!

What do you guys think of this kit?
Wiseco Forged Pistons Manley H Beam Rods Mazda Miata BP 323 1 8L 8 5 1 84mm | eBay

joyrider 11-28-2013 11:28 PM

Why don t you try supertech route? Pretty happy with mines.


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