leatherface24

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Call me crazy but im beginning to think that these are the same thing as Eagles, Scat, M-tuned.... for much less.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Thoughts?

shlammed

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looks like a rod.

i would be interested in seeing some real tensile strength tests and molecular composition tests of it and a known "expensive" rod. I am skeptical that the Tiawan rods will hold up....

-you will need to balance these rods as 4 grams difference per rod is fairly large.
-the small end bore is 20.1mm... most pistons iirc are 20.0 (this alone would deter me from buying)


that being said i know of a few honda friends who run on china rods with no issues and make some legitimate horsepower.

Jeff_Ciesielski

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With the exception of the hardware (which is still genuine ARP hardware btw, just not ARP 2000s) I can verify that they are the same. I've held both in my hands, side by side, and could not tell the difference (except for the logo).

I had them checked out by the director of engineering where I work and he commented on how nice they were.

I'll see if I can find the article that I was reading a while back on a nissan skyline forum. Basically - The guy ordered Eagle rods, and got shipped Tomei rods. He was like "******* BONUS!", but called the company anyway to figure out what the **** happened. The guy on the other end confirmed that Eagle, Scat, Tomei, and several other brands were all made and balanced in their factory and simply re-branded before they left.

TL;DR Exact same stuff.

EDIT: The set that I bought was balanced within 1 gram.

Braineack

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yep, another person selling the : 4340 "H" Beam Super Racing Rods

Jeff_Ciesielski

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Found it.

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/74699-my-...agle-rods.html

Edit: Doesn't look like there was a phone call, I was mistaken.

leatherface24

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wtf awesome! I just made a best offer to the guy

viperormiata

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And they're tested to 600hp just like the others. No more, no less.


These might be worth taking a look at. Super cheap engine build?

leatherface24

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check my build thread when you get a chance. I might do the ultimate cheap high hp build

buffon01

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fify

Is it really a good deal? M-tuned rods are 319 with APR bolts. These are 229, and you're left to sort the bolt. Unless you want to use the ones provided, if any. APR bolts range from ~$70-100 (Google Shopping).

chicksdigmiatas

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Yeah I was going to use these in a cheap engine build. I am skeptical of the supertech pistons. Hell, I may just do rods and stock pistons that are coated. And of course a baller *** oil pump gear.

Jeff_Ciesielski

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They come with genuine ARP bolts. Also, you can best offer the guy as low as you want. A friend of mine got them for just a hair over 200 shipped.

buffon01

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Yeah I just read the description. Does your friend have any input on this? at $200 then we're talking.

Let Jared be the guinea pig.

leatherface24

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I am going to be

Jeff_Ciesielski

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I'm the one who told them to offer 190 bucks and see if the guy would take it :P. I got mine for like 250 shipped and sold them for what I paid.

Savington

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"much less" isn't really much less. $229 + $16 shipping + $40 for ARP2000 bolts = $285, and M-Tuned sells them for $299. IIRC, my M-Tuned rods were also matched closer than 4 grams.

Support your vendors plz.

leatherface24

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I do support them Sav but at the same time if the deals there, im sorry but im going for the deal. I made a best offer of 190. If he sells them for 200+16 shipping then its 216 and they already come with ARP ARP8740 3/8" cap screw bolts. So yeah, thats a savings.
M-tuned right now has them for $320 shipped in the USA so thats a 100 bucks that can go towards my bearings. I have nothing against M-tuned. Great company and sales people but a 100 bucks less is a 100 bucks less period.

scottyd

Why?

ScottFW

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I weighed my set on our lab's precision balance and the set of 4 had a spread of about 0.6 grams. Two of them were within 0.01g, then one was a tad higher and one a tad lower. Actually I think my M-tuned rods were slightly more closely weight-matched than my set of Supertech pistons, which were also all within a gram of each other.

Bassmachine

This debate is a sticky one, yes we should support our vendors and such. But to be honest it will fall completely on what the consumer as a individual wants, if they want cheap they will go cheap, if they want reassurance of quality they would go with a vendor. All the vendors can do to out weigh the competition is to give us the reassurance that what we are buying in terms of quality is far superior to the knock off competition. But when vendors start slacking (not saying anyone is, im saying hypothetically) that's where the problem starts, and **** starts hitting fans.

To me as a person i feel good inside when i buy from a vendor because i know my moneys going to someone that matters to this community. I will admit i have in the past gone cheap, and it certainly wont be the last time. But the thing to know is to buy quality where it counts.

leatherface24

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Considering the fact that i blew an assload of money on all the quality stuff i did on my last motor only to have it go to nothing makes me not want to go that route again. Ive already changed builders so why not adjust the parts layout? Im not spending 700 on rods again.