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Frank_and_Beans 07-16-2013 10:32 PM

Expensive Intercooler paint worth it?
 
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I'm looking for the sleeper look, so I have decided to paint my intercooler black.

So, do I need fancy radiator paint, or just any old sh*tty flat black paint?

See here: Eastwood Radiator Black Paint

"Standard engine paints are too thick for radiator use because they can interfere with heat transfer and block air flow between the cooling fins. Also, standard paint tends to flake off radiator tanks. Radiator Black helps solve this problem. Durable Enamel formulation resists temperatures up to 250ºF, gas and chipping. One can covers 6 square feet (most radiators require 2 cans). "

At $14.99 per can + shipping, this seems like an expensive proposition ($20+!!!). Marketing hype, or engineering marvel?

So miataturbo masses - what say you? Shut up and buy the expensive stuff, or still Shut up and slap some Walmart paint on it? Or just Shut up?


P.S. - How to prep intercooler before painting? Just wipe it with lacquer thinner, or will I need to hit it with some scuff pads too?

P.P.S. I was feeling remiss in not including a photo of anything, so here's something funny and vaguely related to the thread title:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374028340

18psi 07-16-2013 10:42 PM

quick, delete this thread before Brain goes postal on you

18psi 07-16-2013 10:46 PM

to answer your question though: no, its not worth it.
use a thin coat of whatever paint

you'd have to literally submerge the ic in paint for it to significantly affect its heat exchanging properties

triple88a 07-16-2013 10:48 PM

Use krylon paint and dont look back.

RyanRaduechel 07-16-2013 10:49 PM

You will need to have a nice scuffed surface for it to stick. I glass beaded my intercooler and charge pipes before spraying them with rattle can textured black spray paint.

Leafy 07-16-2013 10:54 PM

I always use self etching primer on aluminum.

Didn't we have a thread on this last year?

Braineack 07-17-2013 08:06 AM

Is this thread real life?

thenuge26 07-17-2013 09:33 AM

Guys if I paint my engine block black, will the paint hold too much heat in and cause my engine to overheat?

Leafy 07-17-2013 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1032941)
Guys if I paint my engine block black, will the paint hold too much heat in and cause my engine to overheat?

No dawg, black is the best emitter of radiant heat, it'll make the engine run cooler.

FRT_Fun 07-17-2013 09:43 AM

Guys we are talking "Expensive" Intercooler paint. Not that cheap shit.

Leafy 07-17-2013 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1032946)
Guys we are talking "Expensive" Intercooler paint. Not that cheap shit.

No we're not. This is the expensive intercooler coating that'll actually do something. Only costs ~$225 per intercooler.

Braineack 07-17-2013 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1032946)
Guys we are talking "Expensive" Intercooler paint. Not that cheap shit.

Since gold has better thermal conductive properties than aluminum, I'm going to paint my IC gold.

shuiend 07-17-2013 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1032955)
Since gold has better thermal conductive properties than aluminum, I'm going to paint my IC gold.

I think you would have much better luck if you just made the IC out of gold. That way no need to even buy paint.

Braineack 07-17-2013 10:01 AM

How do you expect an IC to work without painting it?

Dot3 07-17-2013 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1032959)
How do you expect an IC to work without painting it?

:rofl:

y8s 07-17-2013 06:31 PM

flat black any old paint. gold is actually very bad at radiating heat, mister brain.

Shiny is worse than flat. light is worse than dark.

FRT_Fun 07-17-2013 06:42 PM

Well are we talking ACTUAL gold, or gold colored.

Joe Perez 07-17-2013 07:10 PM

Fools. All of you are damned fools.

Any heat which escapes from the intercooler gets blown straight back into the engine compartment.

We all know that nothing is more important than keeping under-hood temps down. Thus, the intercooler should be insulated in order to prevent it from raising the ambient temp of everything around it.

FRT_Fun 07-17-2013 07:27 PM

I think this leads back to hood risers. THE RICERS WERE ON TO SOMETHING!

Joe Perez 07-17-2013 08:54 PM

Yup.

For that matter, the radiator isn't helping matters any...

2ndGearRubber 07-17-2013 09:59 PM

In for Hypers holy-grail radiator delete kit.

Braineack 07-18-2013 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1033242)
flat black any old paint. gold is actually very bad at radiating heat, mister brain.

Shiny is worse than flat. light is worse than dark.

okay then, Mr. Science, it takes 0.902 Joules of heat to raise the temperature of 1 gram of Aluminum 1°C. It was 203 Joules of heat to raise ice the same...

...I think you know where I'm going with this.

Joe Perez 07-18-2013 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1033426)
okay then, Mr. Science, it takes 0.902 Joules of heat to raise the temperature of 1 gram of Aluminum 1°C. It was 203 Joules of heat to raise ice the same...

...I think you know where I'm going with this.

Hold all street races in Antarctica!

BRILLIANT!

y8s 07-18-2013 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1033426)
okay then, Mr. Science, it takes 0.902 Joules of heat to raise the temperature of 1 gram of Aluminum 1°C. It was 203 Joules of heat to raise ice the same...

...I think you know where I'm going with this.

What if the aluminum is starting at a temperature of 1,221°F?

NOW WHO IS THE SUCKER

y8s 07-18-2013 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by FRT_Fun (Post 1033248)
Well are we talking ACTUAL gold, or gold colored.

honey, any gold you gettin from your man aint gonna be actual and factual.

thenuge26 07-18-2013 11:33 AM

No, intercoolers made out of ice, duh.

Water is nearly free, just bring a couple to the track with you in a cooler next to your race tires.

FRT_Fun 07-18-2013 01:13 PM

I prefer the old tried and true window A/C unit mounted to front of car. Sleeper? No. Effective? Yes.

Braineack 07-18-2013 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1033490)
What if the aluminum is starting at a temperature of 1,221°F?

NOW WHO IS THE SUCKER


well, it would still take .902 Joules to raise 1 gram of aluminum to 1222.8°F. But it would be making its way through your block at that point...so mute point.

Joe Perez 07-18-2013 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1033570)
well, it would still take .902 Joules to raise 1 gram of aluminum to 1222.8°F. But it would be making its way through your block at that point...so mute point.

Are you sure?

Typically, the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of a material is linear, right until you get to a phase-change point. Then, a large amount of energy is required to actually make it change from one phase to another (eg: melting), and yet no temperature change is observed during this transition. (Enthalpy of Fusion.)

Braineack 07-18-2013 01:37 PM

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listen bro. i dont need your shit.

let's just go back to gold ICs.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374169054



http://www.mishimoto.com/mishimoto-m...-all-gold.html

y8s 07-18-2013 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1033584)
Are you sure?

Typically, the amount of energy required to raise the temperature of a material is linear, right until you get to a phase-change point. Then, a large amount of energy is required to actually make it change from one phase to another (eg: melting), and yet no temperature change is observed during this transition. (Enthalpy of Fusion.)

thank you joe for paying attenion, unlike the latent heat of brain.

Braineack 07-18-2013 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1033591)
unlike the layman brain of brain.

:noob: :brain:

Scrappy Jack 07-18-2013 04:19 PM

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Speaking of phase changes and mute points...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1374178742

wiresix 07-20-2013 11:33 AM

Google turned this up in a boat forum for preparing bare aluminum for paint:
  • Wash/degrease with detergent and warm water.
  • Wash again with detergent and blow dry. I use a leaf blower as I don't have compressed air!
  • Wash with 50% white vinegar and water to etch the bare aluminum and blow dry.
  • Shoot the bare metal with a thin coat of zinc chromate soon after drying to preclude further oxidation of the bare metal.
  • Shoot with 2 coats Rustoleum. finished!

The chemistry behind using zinc chromate is mildly interesting. Look it up if that's your thing.

18psi 07-20-2013 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 1033491)
honey, any gold you gettin from your man aint gonna be actual and factual.

this made me LOL so hard

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

18psi 07-20-2013 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1033426)
okay then, Mr. Science, it takes 0.902 Joules of heat to raise the temperature of 1 gram of Aluminum 1°C. It was 203 Joules of heat to raise ice the same...

...I think you know where I'm going with this.


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1033570)
well, it would still take .902 Joules to raise 1 gram of aluminum to 1222.8°F. But it would be making its way through your block at that point...so mute point.

you called?
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