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Old 02-17-2014, 03:12 PM   #161
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Exactly: the timing wheel is bolted to the crank sprocket and absolutely cannot "slip".
I also unbolted the harmonic dampener/crank pulley the other day and everything looked perfect. So I guess that's ruled out.

Right now its down to the cam trigger ring, and I REALLY hope one of the MS guru's actually looks at my logs and tells me something.
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I know you just want the car to run, but you can't deny that you are getting really good at this all...
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The pulley itself (where the serpentine belts go) or the little sprocket where the timing belt goes, with the key thing?


Thanks, will do.


See, but its not: he heard a sound and parted the car out.

I'm on my 5th time basically tearing the thing down to the bare bones, and have thus far checked every single thing that these guys suggested, as well as checked and tested like 100 of my own theories and guesses on why its not working.

It is what it is, I'm going to try literally everything under the sun including swapping the cam if I have to.
Silly question, but does the motor make compression? Assuming the timing is close enough it should make good compression, right?
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Silly question, but does the motor make compression? Assuming the timing is close enough it should make good compression, right?
It sounds very healthy when you turn it over. lots of pressure building
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Since we're throwing out silly questions, are the coil packs in the right order?
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yes they are. there's only 1 way to install 2001 coil packs
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yes they are. there's only 1 way to install 2001 coil packs
But 2 ways to plug in the electrical connectors to them. Or at least with my harness since I cranked my engine for 10 minutes last night with some really loud backfires and almost catching before I swapped the connectors and it started on the first crank.
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your one log shows 51PW during cranking....you wonder why it's flooding?
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But, if flooding was my only problem wouldn't it crank and start on stock ecu?

I re-installed stock injectors, drained e85 and filled with 91, and plugged in stock ecu and it still didn't fire.
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LOGS!! Attached

Please take a look and tell me what you think.
These are both cars or the same one twice?
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I re-installed stock injectors, drained e85 and filled with 91, and plugged in stock ecu and it still didn't fire.
i dunno bro.
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These are both cars or the same one twice?
Both cars?

No, same car with 2 separate composite logs and 2 separate regular logs. BAsically back to back.

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i dunno bro.
But what can you tell me about the cam trigger? Are they still off/advanced like Ben said before? These logs are more up to date than previous logs and mechanical timing is 100% correct (even though it was correct all these times)
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I honestly wish I had more to offer, other than moral support.. I say try a known good cam gear and go from there.
This exactly. In for win.
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Both cars?

No, same car with 2 separate composite logs and 2 separate regular logs. BAsically back to back.

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But what can you tell me about the cam trigger? Are they still off/advanced like Ben said before? These logs are more up to date than previous logs and mechanical timing is 100% correct (even though it was correct all these times)
I thought you said you had 2 cars, one ran and the other did not?

Both logs appear to have been taken from the same car. I need one log from each to compare.
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The other car is a donor car that my brother owns, its bone stock. No logs from that one, sorry :(
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Dead rat in an IC pipe somewhere.

Edit: That came off as being a jerk, sorry. But in trying to think of crap nobody else has, intake obstruction of this sort pops up in my mind. Something like rag that got sucked into a bend or ic end tank on those few times when it ran at all, and is now a nice wadded up semi-seal.

Log interpretation people: Are we seeing tons of vacuum? Like way more than you would expect?

I once put a TB gasket in wrong/backwards (while doing a swap too). Result in that case was the opposite, tons of un-metered air. But if there was a pretty nasty restriction on this thing, that got worse for trying to pull air through it, we might see some of these symptoms and it would explain why the most immaculately checked mechanical timing, electronic, and fuel systems ever are not running.

My theory pretty quickly falls apart if either the ic pipes are not hooked up or if just pulling the upper off the TB makes no difference.

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brand new ic pipes. brand new intake manifold and everything bolted to it.

we're talking about a flawless engine/setup. not something someone threw together in the back of an ill-lit parking garage. no rags or towels in any crevice or anything even remotely close to that. it took me like 6 months to put it together, because I would literally assemble it like it was made of pure gold. this is by no means a hack job.

thanks though
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Take the intake cam out of the other engine and put it in this one. Dont set lash or anything, it should make enough compression to start. Just to see if the ******* trigger gear rotated.
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That is literally the only thing I have left to do.

I was REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hoping one of the MS gurus could tell me what the composite logs is showing in terms of cam/crank triggers and if they're still showing intake cam advanced before I pull the freshly re-installed/RTV'd valve cover for the umpteenth time and waste yet more time ripping everything apart.

LITERALLY everything else in the engine has been checked enough times that I won't bother re-checking it. Its flawless.
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Stupid low vac, did you put the 6D manifold back on the motor? This is your first time with a squaretop, right? Are you maybe missing an EGR blockoff or a vac port or something equally stupid? Brake booster hose unplugged? Head to block gasket should be the same as should the TB gasket so that's probably not it... I know there are a couple of freeze plugs from the casting on my squaretop, but it would leave a real obvious hole if one were missing. I'm just making **** up here.

I spent half of Sunday huffing ether with a friend trying to get a 69 Bug started. Vacuum leaks are a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch.
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