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emilio700 Feb 9, 2021 05:46 PM

Fluidampr & 36-2 trigger wheel @ Supermiata
 
Just realized we never posted this here. We have Fluidampr (gen 2) in stock. After finding the minor issues with the first Fluidampr when it was released in June 2018, we asked them to make a few changes. Which they did. 2nd gen is correct. We never stocked the 1st gen.
Our optional 36-2 trigger wheel also fits the OEM damper. Big fats teeths = no sync loss. Rigid design doesn't assplode. These are good things.

https://supermiata.com/Fluidampr-Har...Balancer.aspx\
https://supermiata.com/36-2-supermia...fluidampr.aspx

https://supermiata.com/images/produc...ata_521001.jpg https://supermiata.com/images/produc...a-36-2-OEM.jpg

Fireindc Feb 9, 2021 06:44 PM

Looks like a good trigger wheel design, unlike my Fab9 unit that assploded on the 2nd hard drive I took it on. And I can attest to the Gen2 design being much better. It gets rid of the 4 tiny bolts (like the stock balancer) and instead is held on by the main crank bolt and keyway, but doesn't have the pesky press-fit of the ATI wheel. I love mine.

andym Feb 9, 2021 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1592621)
Just realized we never posted this here. We have Fluidampr (gen 2) in stock. After finding the minor issues with the first Fluidampr when it was released in June 2018, we asked them to make a few changes. Which they did. 2nd gen is correct. We never stocked the 1st gen.
Our optional 36-2 trigger wheel also fits the OEM damper. Big fats teeths = no sync loss. Rigid design doesn't assplode. These are good things.

https://supermiata.com/Fluidampr-Har...Balancer.aspx\
https://supermiata.com/36-2-supermia...fluidampr.aspx

Your website claims that the outside diameter is the same as OEM 130mm. Is there a way you can verify that that is absolutely correct? I am reading conflicting information on this product that leads me to believe that the outside diameter is 5.250 inches which is 133mm. I know it sounds like a minor change, but I am working with a c30-84 rotrex supercharger on a stock balancer with the 75mm pulley and these minor changes in diameter make a difference to blower redline.

emilio700 Feb 9, 2021 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by andym (Post 1592627)
Your website claims that the outside diameter is the same as OEM 130mm. Is there a way you can verify that that is absolutely correct?

Exactly 130mm

Frenchmanremy Feb 10, 2021 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by andym (Post 1592627)
Your website claims that the outside diameter is the same as OEM 130mm. Is there a way you can verify that that is absolutely correct? I am reading conflicting information on this product that leads me to believe that the outside diameter is 5.250 inches which is 133mm. I know it sounds like a minor change, but I am working with a c30-84 rotrex supercharger on a stock balancer with the 75mm pulley and these minor changes in diameter make a difference to blower redline.

Would it be possible that 133mm includes the little lip that helps the belt not move?

Roda Feb 10, 2021 09:21 AM

Thanks for posting Emilio... been waiting for this for a while and didn't catch it on your site.

Should we expect any tuning changes switching from the FM 36-2 wheel to your 36-2 wheel?

emilio700 Feb 10, 2021 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by Roda (Post 1592665)
Thanks for posting Emilio... been waiting for this for a while and didn't catch it on your site.

Should we expect any tuning changes switching from the FM 36-2 wheel to your 36-2 wheel?

Not familiar with the FM product so I can't vouch for it's orientation or clocking. I would suggest manually verifying timing with fixed timing widget in your MS tuning software before and after swap.

Reverant Feb 10, 2021 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1592673)
Not familiar with the FM product so I can't vouch for it's orientation or clocking. I would suggest manually verifying timing with fixed timing widget in your MS tuning software before and after swap.

You should make sure that it works with the MS3's "36-2 Miata" mode before selling it to the public. It's a 36-2, users would assume that it will work with the MS3's Miata-specific 36-2 mode, and when it won't, they will bug both you and us MS vendors.

Or avoid the entire confusion by making it a 36-1 or a 60-2.

deezums Feb 10, 2021 01:11 PM

Yep, ms3 is stupid as ever and won't work if the FM pattern is changed pretty much at all. Even then the decoder for the FM pattern sucks, doesn't detect sync loss worth a fuck.

And if I am not mistaken, going to a 36-1 or a 60-2 requires lopping off all but one cam tooth.

You really ought to double check this shit before you offer products for sale. Looks like there's 7 left of TDC before the missings, which should be within 10 degrees of correct.

turbofan Feb 10, 2021 01:25 PM

It is tested and proven. This is exactly the same design on the trigger wheel as the trigger wheels we sold with our prior Supermiata damper, but with a different center section that's compatible with the OEM damper, and the Fluidampr. It works with the built-in settings in Megasquirt without modifying the trigger wheel. Big teeth, thick material, works great.

Emilio's answer was simply born out of us not being familiar with the FM wheel. If the question is "does this work with the native settings in tunerstudio for 36-2" the answer is yes. If the question is "is this the same as FM's wheel" the answer is, we don't know, because we haven't had one in our hot little hands.

Roda Feb 10, 2021 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1592685)
If the question was "does this work with the native settings in tunerstudio for 36-2" the answer is yes. If the question is "is this the same as FM's wheel" the answer is, we don't know, because we haven't had one in our hot little hands.

Thank you.

That's probably how I should have framed the question, but figured the FM 36-2 wheel was pretty ubiquitous.

turbofan Feb 10, 2021 01:31 PM

Understandable.


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