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miata2fast 04-25-2013 07:57 AM

Full contact vs non contact crank scraper
 
There are two flavors of crankshaft scraper, the teflon full contact and the metal non contact.

My question; is there proof the full contact makes more power?

The fact that it touches the crank makes me think that the less expensive non contact version would be better. I know there is more work involved to trim and adjust it correctly.

I have not used them before. Any input would be most appreciated.

shlammed 04-25-2013 08:28 AM

Having not used them either I personally dont think that anyone will see a signifigant difference in any application with a full contact vs non contact.

The extra percent or 2 of gain in the full contact in reduction of oils on the crank will only relate to the same few percent of the power gain from oils on the crank... which i would think would be minimal.

miata2fast 04-25-2013 10:56 AM

There is a very significant difference in price. Like almost double.

miata2fast 04-29-2013 02:53 PM

Surely some of you guys have some insight on this subject.

Leafy 04-29-2013 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1006487)
Surely some of you guys have some insight on this subject.

I wouldnt be surprised if the number of miatas that have crank scrappers could be counted on both hands and that 0% of the people that own them post on the internet.

Oscar 04-29-2013 02:59 PM

Pretty sure this guy is running a I-J scraper.

miata2fast 04-29-2013 03:00 PM

Leafy, I would say that is a gross exaggeration. Besides, crank scrapers are used not just on Miatas.

Leafy 04-29-2013 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1006490)
Leafy, I would say that is a gross exaggeration. Besides, crank scrapers are used not just on Miatas.

I'm just trying to think about the classes in ax and rr that allow crank scrapers but are tight on other allowances so guys will do anything to make an extra 1hp. Maybe F-prod or D-prepared?

And I know crank scrapers are used on not just miatas but they're very rare here. I'm sure they're really common in the american muscle crowd.

curly 04-29-2013 03:16 PM

I have one sitting in the garage for the 1.8 I'm building. I've touched it. That's about the extent of my experience. I did read the directions though. A touchless one sounded easy to install. The teflon scraper one sounded annoying and potentially dangerous to install and tweak. I'd personally go with a touchless one.

Laur3ns 04-29-2013 03:28 PM

I've got a teflon scraper but had the shop do all the work.
Can't say what difference it makes, I just hope my engine makes more power and lasts longer. Same with ATI damper I got.

Savington 04-30-2013 04:20 PM

Teflon touch-scrapers are a huge pain in the ass to install.

miata2fast 04-30-2013 05:21 PM

Andrew, what makes it so tough? I would like to know what I am getting into.

Savington 04-30-2013 05:25 PM

It's hours and hours of cut-fit-cut-fit to get it to just rub everything a little bit. It takes goddamn forever and I'm not convinced that it's worth it unless you're building a rules-restricted engine. Putting one on a street car is an exercise in idiocy.

miata2fast 04-30-2013 05:28 PM

Hours and hours? Joy.

miata2fast 04-30-2013 05:30 PM

Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it.

Savington 04-30-2013 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by miata2fast (Post 1007035)
Hours and hours? Joy.

They come cut pretty tight to the crank counterweights, but they're nowhere near correct at the end of the rod. You have to take 1/4" off the thing in some places, it's not easy to cut, and if you go too big it's ruined.

miata2fast 04-30-2013 05:37 PM

What is your prefered method to cut it?

Savington 04-30-2013 05:45 PM

Ideally, you would use a dremel to contour it, but it makes a huge mess and can't be done anywhere near the engine.

miata2fast 04-30-2013 05:50 PM

I will give it a try. Thanks.

gpzmax 03-04-2014 01:24 PM

Did you ever move forward with this crank scraper project?


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