Gauges - 3 most required...
09-07-2012, 01:41 AM
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Gauges - 3 most required...
Currently running a link ecu and Innovate AFR sensor and gauge.
Car is used predominaly for track days and sunday morning blasts (+ occasional trips to work).
Have a new race motor coming and wonder what you guys think are the 3 most important gauges....dash already has OEM Oil pressure, Not an NB "fixed" gauge....
Boost
Oil temp
Water temp
Fuel pressure
??? a "proper" Oil pressure
??? anything else I should consider.....
Car is used predominaly for track days and sunday morning blasts (+ occasional trips to work).
Have a new race motor coming and wonder what you guys think are the 3 most important gauges....dash already has OEM Oil pressure, Not an NB "fixed" gauge....
Boost
Oil temp
Water temp
Fuel pressure
??? a "proper" Oil pressure
??? anything else I should consider.....
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09-07-2012, 02:48 AM
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I think pressures are the most important. I'd much rather have oil pressure than temp.
Most gauges however, I don't really think are that useful while driving. Tuning sure, but driving... meh. And if you're using them to tune, you can just log them which is more accurate anyway.
I suppose AFR could be useful if something messes up, but as long as you log it, I doubt you'd really catch anything on the gauge as it goes wrong. Every time I saw something funky on my AFR gauge it's always been a "why am I not just logging this?" moment which makes me question if I really need a gauge readout at all.
I like seeing boost, but question the usefulness of the gauge. Again, check MAP readings. I think some kind of fuel pressure gauge/logging is good to have to forced induction cars. I'd get that before most gauges people think are important.
^Please someone, call me out if you think I'm wrong. I'd like to hear thoughts on my perspective.
Most gauges however, I don't really think are that useful while driving. Tuning sure, but driving... meh. And if you're using them to tune, you can just log them which is more accurate anyway.
I suppose AFR could be useful if something messes up, but as long as you log it, I doubt you'd really catch anything on the gauge as it goes wrong. Every time I saw something funky on my AFR gauge it's always been a "why am I not just logging this?" moment which makes me question if I really need a gauge readout at all.
I like seeing boost, but question the usefulness of the gauge. Again, check MAP readings. I think some kind of fuel pressure gauge/logging is good to have to forced induction cars. I'd get that before most gauges people think are important.
^Please someone, call me out if you think I'm wrong. I'd like to hear thoughts on my perspective.
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09-07-2012, 04:33 AM
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In the wrx I have a aem wideban afr. Defi racer boost. And a aem oil pressure. I honestly think that would be all you need. Boost to look at while driving. It's nice to know my afr. An I have had the oil psi save my car before and you can see how much pressure is going around lol.
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09-07-2012, 07:36 AM
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Hi Hakan
Great thank you, I was looking for that thread but couldn't remember any details. Can you remind me of the cost again?
As mentioned in that thread by the time you pay for three gauges and fittings etc it comes pretty close to this unit....
Great thank you, I was looking for that thread but couldn't remember any details. Can you remind me of the cost again?
As mentioned in that thread by the time you pay for three gauges and fittings etc it comes pretty close to this unit....
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09-07-2012, 08:31 AM
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This will be my 3 gauges, but I will be buying it with a wideband O2 also. Faeflora also has one, it seems pretty cool. I plan on either mounting it on the top of the steering column or on the underside of the cluster hood. I would like to put it where my fake oil pressure gauge is, but it is touch screen, so I would have to cut the plastic or whatever covers the gauges (which I may do eventually).
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09-07-2012, 09:01 AM
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If you only want them for racing. Get super bright wide angle LED's and a small controller that takes in sensor data and runs the lights as idiot lights for low oil pressure, high water and oil temps, and knock. And put them right in your face. If you have time to look at the gauges you're not driving hard enough. Well its is road racing so you have those straightaways.
Ryan, does vei have a combo oil and water temp gauge thats analog and standard size? I'd love to cram one with both into the stock water temp location on the cluster.
Ryan, does vei have a combo oil and water temp gauge thats analog and standard size? I'd love to cram one with both into the stock water temp location on the cluster.
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09-07-2012, 01:13 PM
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I think pressures are the most important. I'd much rather have oil pressure than temp.
Most gauges however, I don't really think are that useful while driving. Tuning sure, but driving... meh. And if you're using them to tune, you can just log them which is more accurate anyway.
I suppose AFR could be useful if something messes up, but as long as you log it, I doubt you'd really catch anything on the gauge as it goes wrong. Every time I saw something funky on my AFR gauge it's always been a "why am I not just logging this?" moment which makes me question if I really need a gauge readout at all.
I like seeing boost, but question the usefulness of the gauge. Again, check MAP readings. I think some kind of fuel pressure gauge/logging is good to have to forced induction cars. I'd get that before most gauges people think are important.
^Please someone, call me out if you think I'm wrong. I'd like to hear thoughts on my perspective.
Most gauges however, I don't really think are that useful while driving. Tuning sure, but driving... meh. And if you're using them to tune, you can just log them which is more accurate anyway.
I suppose AFR could be useful if something messes up, but as long as you log it, I doubt you'd really catch anything on the gauge as it goes wrong. Every time I saw something funky on my AFR gauge it's always been a "why am I not just logging this?" moment which makes me question if I really need a gauge readout at all.
I like seeing boost, but question the usefulness of the gauge. Again, check MAP readings. I think some kind of fuel pressure gauge/logging is good to have to forced induction cars. I'd get that before most gauges people think are important.
^Please someone, call me out if you think I'm wrong. I'd like to hear thoughts on my perspective.
An AFR gauge is critical. I've saved motors more than a few times with it. It's the only gauge that I consider to be required in any forced induction car.
Boost is optional, honestly. Set up your ECU so that it has good overboost protection. Boost cannot be marginally bad like AFR or oil temp - it's either in the range you tuned for, or outside the range you tuned for.
Oil temp is required for track cars IMO.
Fuel pressure is good to have for diagnostic reasons, but you can stick a liquid-filled gauge under the hood for that and not clutter up your dash with it. I used to have an electric fuel pressure gauge in the glovebox.
Logging is nice for when you're back in the pits with a blown engine and you'd like to know why it happened. Gauges (or better, warning lights) are for people who would like to prevent the blown motor in the first place.
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09-07-2012, 02:11 PM
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That shitty cell phone picture does not do them justice. Visibility is excellent on these things. I just need to finish the cluster butchery and wiring and I'll be set. I got these with the "motorcycle mod" where the button that usually lives in the face is run as leads out the back. I'm mounting these behind the factory cluster face so I needed the remote button ability.
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09-07-2012, 03:27 PM
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If you only want them for racing. Get super bright wide angle LED's and a small controller that takes in sensor data and runs the lights as idiot lights for low oil pressure, high water and oil temps, and knock. And put them right in your face. If you have time to look at the gauges you're not driving hard enough. Well its is road racing so you have those straightaways.
Ryan, does vei have a combo oil and water temp gauge thats analog and standard size? I'd love to cram one with both into the stock water temp location on the cluster.
Ryan, does vei have a combo oil and water temp gauge thats analog and standard size? I'd love to cram one with both into the stock water temp location on the cluster.
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09-07-2012, 05:38 PM
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I would rather have an OEM pressure gauge and an oil temp gauge than an aftermarket pressure gauge and no oil temp gauge at all.
An AFR gauge is critical. I've saved motors more than a few times with it. It's the only gauge that I consider to be required in any forced induction car.
Boost is optional, honestly. Set up your ECU so that it has good overboost protection. Boost cannot be marginally bad like AFR or oil temp - it's either in the range you tuned for, or outside the range you tuned for.
Oil temp is required for track cars IMO.
Fuel pressure is good to have for diagnostic reasons, but you can stick a liquid-filled gauge under the hood for that and not clutter up your dash with it. I used to have an electric fuel pressure gauge in the glovebox.
Logging is nice for when you're back in the pits with a blown engine and you'd like to know why it happened. Gauges (or better, warning lights) are for people who would like to prevent the blown motor in the first place.
An AFR gauge is critical. I've saved motors more than a few times with it. It's the only gauge that I consider to be required in any forced induction car.
Boost is optional, honestly. Set up your ECU so that it has good overboost protection. Boost cannot be marginally bad like AFR or oil temp - it's either in the range you tuned for, or outside the range you tuned for.
Oil temp is required for track cars IMO.
Fuel pressure is good to have for diagnostic reasons, but you can stick a liquid-filled gauge under the hood for that and not clutter up your dash with it. I used to have an electric fuel pressure gauge in the glovebox.
Logging is nice for when you're back in the pits with a blown engine and you'd like to know why it happened. Gauges (or better, warning lights) are for people who would like to prevent the blown motor in the first place.
Hakan, I LOVE your solution and think it's the best choice by far. Warning lights are a God-send. Do you intend to be in business for long? In the next year or so I will buy at least 2, maybe 3 of your units.
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