how come mazda motors dont make "good" power?

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09-17-2010, 12:33 AM

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Don't get horny...

I found your lack of reading comprehension disturbing.

09-17-2010, 12:34 AM

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This is one of the worst threads I've read in my life, worse than the time I caught HIV from your mothers. With that said, nothing pisses me off more than the damn H2 and H1 cars steam-rolling me on the straights.

I'd love to see a Honda motor swapped into a Miata.

open up hingtswms(sp?) thread

09-17-2010, 12:36 AM

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what the hell is the point in saying "ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL"?

They're NOT and will never be so who cares.

Its like saying, "I got a 3 inch dick and you have a 20 incher, but ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL we'd probably be the same in bed"

Nice simile.

Maybe it's because I've been up a little past 24 hours now, but to me the fact that horsepower is just torque plus math means that the higher you can rev, the more horsepower you stand to make. Simple.

09-17-2010, 12:37 AM

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09-17-2010, 12:39 AM

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Except its nowhere near that simple.

Lets say for the sake of argument that you could rev the bp to 8 or 9 grand safely. Everything else cams/intake mani/ports/etc being the same. It would get more limp than hustlers dick past 7-7.5k.

So "just" revving higher doesn't really mean much.

09-17-2010, 12:39 AM

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09-17-2010, 12:40 AM

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LOL did you hear him say its stainless steel then its aluminum? Homeboy is a bit confused

I think it has a stainless DP and an aluminum exhaust pipe

09-17-2010, 12:44 AM

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****, how many qualifying statements do I need to put on my posts?

For the sake of argument, take one B18C and stop the ramp run at 6.5k RPM. I bet you it makes less power..

09-17-2010, 12:45 AM

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Yah but the fact that the BP has weird vibration issues and starts breaking stuff at 8k rpm creates a barrier.

But yah, the idea that 'all honda engines can rev super high" is not true at all. Its funny all the people with LSs and B20s reving the **** out of them "because its a honda" even though the rod ratio sucks dick. They may not break weird **** like the BP does at high rpm, but they will sure as hell start slapping and wear out really fast.

Ive gotta say, the biggest issue with the BP has got to be the vib rational issues. Ivbe never seen an engine that will crack sch 10 tubular manifolds, or throttle shafts and weird **** like that. Its like at 7-8k it starts resonating and **** hits the fan.

09-17-2010, 02:02 AM

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ok, for the people that gave me useful info, thank you

i think i have alot more reading and thinking to do...

09-17-2010, 02:03 AM

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wait, didn't the 1.6 motor start life as a turbo motor? if mazda didnt' change the rods when specing it for the miata i'll bet nobody would talk smack about mazda power.

in this alternate universe greddy turbo kit would be carb legal and 1 bar...

09-17-2010, 02:06 AM

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wasnt it also intended for FWD aplications as well?

09-17-2010, 03:16 AM

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whats your thoughts?

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09-17-2010, 04:18 PM

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i have not seen anyone post those kind of numbers out of a stock b series motor but i have been out of that seen for like 5-6 years. It takes a ton of money to make a civic fast.

09-17-2010, 05:14 PM

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09-17-2010, 05:40 PM

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09-17-2010, 06:14 PM

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i have not seen anyone post those kind of numbers out of a stock b series motor but i have been out of that seen for like 5-6 years. It takes a ton of money to make a civic fast.

You must have been out of the loop for quite some time them.

Stock B series engines breaking 300. Easily making 500+ with rods and pistons.

D16s beiong built with rods and cheap OEM Suzuki Vitara pistons are making 300+ hp. With a cam and intake manifold 500+hp.

Stock H22s pushing 400+ hp

And all the parts are at a fraction of the cost of parts for our cars. Honda prts are as cheap as parts for SBC and SBF V8s now.

09-17-2010, 06:36 PM

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/\ I just want to point out that while that statement is TRUE and there are honda engines out there like taht, there really isn't THAT many honda's out there with minimal **** done putting down that kinda power. Most that are over 300 are built. The only ones I've seen over 400 on stock internals were all k series engnies or f2x out of the s2k.

09-17-2010, 06:53 PM

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Problem is, most people here have neither the money nor the determination to make them truly fast. They are perfectly happy with 200-250.

Those that want more, like Jay, HF, Savington, cdrtfna(sp?), and many others with "big boy setups" are easily over 400whp with room to go. And anything much higher than that requires a ton of work, EVEN with a honda platform. They don't just make 500 on stock internals.

Very true most of the people here love there 250whp miatas and the best part is 250whp in a miata is where its sit in the line of fast but yet reliable and trust me once you pass 300 the car just starts to break down. Once I made 350whp with 20PSI on my EVOIII 16G my miata was breaking everything. so now its at the point where its broken more then it is on the road.

Now i got what 18psi calls a "big boy setup" and the motor and tranny to go along with it. So 400-450whp is not a problem it just coast a lot of money.