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Savington 04-30-2016 07:55 PM

K-swap How-to: A by-the-book K24A2 NB2 swap build thread
 
I have been trying to get my hands on a K-swap project for about 18 months now. The combination of Miata chassis dynamics and N/A K24 power is too cool to not love, even for a boostaholic like me. I've had too much going on to buy a chassis and build one myself, but I was able to convince a good friend of mine to do it instead.

Emilio did a good job of documenting his buildup, but he went well off the beaten path. Cool build from a technical standpoint but minimal relevance to anyone trying to actuall build a car for themselves. This build will be a bit more conventional and relevant. Kmiata swap kit, 2006 K24A2 longblock, off-the-shelf intake/exhaust parts, built mostly as a daily driver. The donor is a clean 130k mile NB2 Sport car, so the 6-speed and Sport brakes are already in place.

Poor thing will never know what hit it.

http://i.imgur.com/PYC3lepl.jpg?

David from K-Miata and John from Inertialab are out this weekend assisting with the buildup. David will be cutting an instructional video that goes into more detail, but this thread should be a good resource for customers who are looking for some help or potential customers who want to understand what they're getting into.

The donor car is a 2002 Sport package car without ABS. The 01-02s are the sweet spot for the NBs, since you get all the benefits of the NB2 (nicer interior) without having to deal with the T-F diffs. In addition to the K24, the car will get 700/400 Gen2 XIDAs, a Blackbird Fabworx bar, 15x9 6ULs, and a bunch of other upgrades to support the new powerplant. More on the extra upgrades once the engine is in the car.

First step is pretty straightforward - drop all the stock stuff out. We dropped the engine, trans, front subframe, and all the suspension together.

http://i.imgur.com/gJssaHrl.jpg?

In addition to the complete engine/trans/subframe removal, youíll also need to remove your dashboard and HVAC components in order to install the Honda wiring harness and connect it up to the Miata dash harness.

http://i.imgur.com/DoqouGXl.jpg?

Iíll have another post or two tonight detailing the engine preparations and the swap kit parts (mounts,subframe, adapter, flywheel, etc).

ctdrftna 04-30-2016 08:05 PM

Good to see this on here, i have seen David posting stuff on social media. Your not gonna want to play with Miata motors any more.

mgeoffriau 04-30-2016 08:06 PM

Nice. Will be following.

thirdgen 04-30-2016 09:16 PM

I'm going to let the cat out of the bag. (No animal abuse to feline on sensitive to cats Miata forum...simply acronym.). I'm going the K swap route.
2 things are going to happen to the future of this forum:
1) people are going to run Honda motors and enjoy their cars.
2) people are going to get amazing deals on part outs from members ditching their turbo setups to go K swap.

Either way, miatas for the win!

Mazduh 04-30-2016 09:54 PM

Yeah I'm in denial at this point. With Dave and Kmiata being so close to home for me it's becoming a no brainer. I've been building up parts for an N/A build now and to go turbo again down the road but theres a small part of me in the back of my head that keeps screaming "WHY ARE YOU BOTHERING JUST SELL ALL OF IT AND K SWAP"

18psi 05-01-2016 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 1328038)
I'm going to let the cat out of the bag. (No animal abuse to feline on sensitive to cats Miata forum...simply acronym.). I'm going the K swap route.
2 things are going to happen to the future of this forum:
1) people are going to run Honda motors and enjoy their cars.
2) people are going to get amazing deals on part outs from members ditching their turbo setups to go K swap.

Either way, miatas for the win!

Yeah, you've said lots of things and done nothing.
Move along and don't clutter up his thread.

Savington 05-01-2016 01:56 AM

One of the things we were able to do was take an extremely accurate weight of the K24 vs the factory engine, including all the auxiliary components that are included with the swap (subframe, flywheel, header, etc). I'm curious to see what you guys think the weight difference is before I say, though. Thoughts?

https://i.imgur.com/f9kU28Pl.jpg?

https://i.imgur.com/mpB9zcql.jpg?

Chilicharger665 05-01-2016 04:53 AM

15 pounds heavier.

dc2696 05-01-2016 06:20 AM

15lbs lighter. Subframe has gotta be a net saver, maybe the K24 block too.

Efini~FC3S 05-01-2016 08:58 AM

22 pounds lighter Bob

ctdrftna 05-01-2016 09:14 AM

i remember readying in their thread that it saved 50lbs, but who knows how accurate that is.

wildo 05-01-2016 01:47 PM

Awesome thread. 32 pounds lighter WAG.

MrJon 05-01-2016 02:58 PM

I'm betting the engine itself is 35-40 lbs lighter, the subframe is probably 10lbs lighter than the stock one. I'm betting the rest of it is a wash.

ctdrftna 05-01-2016 04:54 PM

The kicker will be how it was weighed. The k swap can not run a/c or p/s. So was the the BP weighed with the accessories?

thirdgen 05-01-2016 05:02 PM

How much of a pain in the nuts was it to pull the dash out and do the wiring?

cordycord 05-01-2016 05:41 PM

-35lbs, all in. BTW, I know you have SWAG Andrew so I think you need to kick down at least a cool Trackspeed sticker for the right answer. :)

aidandj 05-01-2016 06:03 PM

asmasm is gonna bust a nut if you properly weigh it all and document.

ctdrftna 05-01-2016 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by thirdgen (Post 1328179)
How much of a pain in the nuts was it to pull the dash out and do the wiring?

If you are swapping a NB the wiring is very straight forward and not to difficult, NA is another story.

asmasm 05-01-2016 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1328187)
asmasm is gonna bust a nut if you properly weigh it all and document.

This is very true. There is so much bad information on engine swap weights because accessories can weigh 80+lb and people don't specify what is on the engines when they weigh them. Andrew, I have an 1100lb hanging scale I can lend you if you want something easy to weigh with. I think engines weights for swaps should get compared without clutch/flywheel, exhaust, AC, or PS- But everything else.

From all the weights I have read online I pieced together an estimate that the actual weight of a k24 is about 25lb less than a BP when its dressed the same. That is pretty impressive when you consider one engine is .6l larger displacement and makes about double the horsepower with stockish internals.

Scaxx 05-01-2016 10:03 PM

The k series swaps are pretty damn awesome, I might have even gone with it if it had been more popular when I first started planning for an ls. I'm guessing about 30#, and I can confirm the bad information about engine swap weights. A lot of the guys try to act like adding a v8 to the car doesn't add weight by saying the bp is super heavy. I've heard some pretty wild weights throw around in the v8 community, hell if you'll let them, they might even convince you that the bp used a tungsten block. I just comfort myself by saying a turbo would have added some weight too.



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