Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1035986)

The NA 1.8 MAF is pretty restrictive, but the NB one isn't too bad.

MAF vs Speed/Density -- in principle, MAF should be better. Instead of baking the VE of the motor into a 3d table so that you can extrapolate from MAP & RPM into a fuel amount, you just directly measure the air going in. As for why it's not more prevalent in the aftermarket, most of the downsides to Speed/Density come from a comparative lack of flexibility in dealing with changes to the motor's VE. With a factory computer that sucks because if you put a better-flowing exhaust on the engine, then suddenly the fueling is all wrong and you can't fix it. With an aftermarket computer it's still wrong, except you have a wideband so the computer can cope and then you just fix it. So S/D is cheaper and easier and doesn't have a major downside, so why use MAF?

People who tune cars with reprogrammable factory computers and factory MAF sensors often stick with the MAF sensor.

--Ian

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1036027)

Agreed, but mainly because its much easier to just define the oem ecu parameters and work with them rather than re-write the code altogether to eliminate maf and use s/d. Most that go for big power still end up deleting the maf altogether because there are still some fairly hefty limiations once you start approaching big flow

Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1036019)

That's.... not really correct at all. They're using the flapper boxes you speak of, which are not present at all in any KL car.

They're using RX7 units, and the K-code Hybrid is probably something to do with F2-powered 1st gen MX6/Probe.

The KL unit is more of a "sliding booby nipple" type deal. I personally think it's far worse than a flapper, which is probably why those guys pick up so much power with a Millenia MAF conversion.

Originally Posted by iantboyd (Post 1036114)

Ah, that is right, F2 powered cars are the right ones. Thanks for correcting that. I'll go back an edit it just in-case some one reads that and is forever searching for a kl powered car with the vaf.

Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1036110)

FM has a Split Second unit for sale in their garage sale.

Originally Posted by Erat (Post 1036142)

I was laughing because OP was taking our advice, and within a day spreading it over there...

Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1036144)

Erat I expected the 'weapon r intake install' thread. Still a good one.

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1036280)

ok now I wanna see the weapon-r thrad lulz