MZR DISI Turbo Swap: Can It Be Done?
09-25-2009, 11:07 PM
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Me having both cars...... IMO no, dont take it the wrong way, but your retarded even considering this.
I am on my second motor with the speed 6 (just bolt on) on a stock turbo I blew my motor.
To answer your question, the motor is direct injected, so the fuel rail does on the head, not the intake manifold, therefore no its not a miata head, not 2.3, duratec head. Its an MZR DISI head.
IMO mazda's direct injection sucks, the motor is great, beefy forged rods, strong pistons, but still people blow their motor (rods give out) because of heat and knock under partial load. Mazda had one purpose for this car, good fuel economy and great emissions. Take those two and that means crappy power output, and nobody can completely understand this ECU, cobb is doing good, but still theyre not 100% there.
I dont think your mechanic knows this motor, its only been around for 3 years and people were blowing, tearing it apart, rebuilding and blowing them again just to understand the weak point and try to fix them, to this day there no complete understanding as to how and why motors blow while your at partial throttle!
Just like everybody else said, V8.
I am on my second motor with the speed 6 (just bolt on) on a stock turbo I blew my motor.
To answer your question, the motor is direct injected, so the fuel rail does on the head, not the intake manifold, therefore no its not a miata head, not 2.3, duratec head. Its an MZR DISI head.
IMO mazda's direct injection sucks, the motor is great, beefy forged rods, strong pistons, but still people blow their motor (rods give out) because of heat and knock under partial load. Mazda had one purpose for this car, good fuel economy and great emissions. Take those two and that means crappy power output, and nobody can completely understand this ECU, cobb is doing good, but still theyre not 100% there.
I dont think your mechanic knows this motor, its only been around for 3 years and people were blowing, tearing it apart, rebuilding and blowing them again just to understand the weak point and try to fix them, to this day there no complete understanding as to how and why motors blow while your at partial throttle!
Just like everybody else said, V8.
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09-26-2009, 12:51 AM
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lol that was a joke, but several people have done it. It's really only worth it if you happen to have a SR lying around, that's built up, and a miata chassis with no motor.
As far as the MZR goes, it's not even close to being an awesome engine. There's so many better and cooler options out there for a swap. Put a RB26 in there. That would be cool as hell.
As far as the MZR goes, it's not even close to being an awesome engine. There's so many better and cooler options out there for a swap. Put a RB26 in there. That would be cool as hell.
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09-26-2009, 12:54 AM
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Me having both cars...... IMO no, dont take it the wrong way, but your retarded even considering this.
I am on my second motor with the speed 6 (just bolt on) on a stock turbo I blew my motor.
To answer your question, the motor is direct injected, so the fuel rail does on the head, not the intake manifold, therefore no its not a miata head, not 2.3, duratec head. Its an MZR DISI head.
IMO mazda's direct injection sucks, the motor is great, beefy forged rods, strong pistons, but still people blow their motor (rods give out) because of heat and knock under partial load. Mazda had one purpose for this car, good fuel economy and great emissions. Take those two and that means crappy power output, and nobody can completely understand this ECU, cobb is doing good, but still theyre not 100% there.
I dont think your mechanic knows this motor, its only been around for 3 years and people were blowing, tearing it apart, rebuilding and blowing them again just to understand the weak point and try to fix them, to this day there no complete understanding as to how and why motors blow while your at partial throttle!
Just like everybody else said, V8.
I am on my second motor with the speed 6 (just bolt on) on a stock turbo I blew my motor.
To answer your question, the motor is direct injected, so the fuel rail does on the head, not the intake manifold, therefore no its not a miata head, not 2.3, duratec head. Its an MZR DISI head.
IMO mazda's direct injection sucks, the motor is great, beefy forged rods, strong pistons, but still people blow their motor (rods give out) because of heat and knock under partial load. Mazda had one purpose for this car, good fuel economy and great emissions. Take those two and that means crappy power output, and nobody can completely understand this ECU, cobb is doing good, but still theyre not 100% there.
I dont think your mechanic knows this motor, its only been around for 3 years and people were blowing, tearing it apart, rebuilding and blowing them again just to understand the weak point and try to fix them, to this day there no complete understanding as to how and why motors blow while your at partial throttle!
Just like everybody else said, V8.
Am I to assume you are talking about the Mazdaspeed 3 turbo?
Perhaps a better start would be an NC miata motor. Cosworth has a cyl head for it, and there are cam shafts available as well. I hear that they are making good power from that motor.
I have been using an Electromotive on my current car, and I do not think I would fool with the factory ECU any way. The Electromotive is universal, and the only thing that I would worry about is building a crank trigger.
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09-26-2009, 01:03 AM
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The reason that I want to put an NC motor in the car is that my prefered method of racing has been drag racing. Some classes require that you use a motor from a like model car. However, if you have an older model that has a smaller and lighter frame (NA), but the newest model has a larger more advance engine (NC), you can take the big motor and stuff it into the old chassis, and still be legal to race.
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09-26-2009, 01:15 AM
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what you means mazdaspeed3, ms6, ms3 and cx7 share same motor from oil pan to turbine. only diffirence is ms6 is awd, ms3 is failwd, and cx7 is either failwd with same everything as ms3 or awd which drivetrain is very similar to ms6. Another difference is their ECU's.
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09-26-2009, 01:27 AM
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what you means mazdaspeed3, ms6, ms3 and cx7 share same motor from oil pan to turbine. only diffirence is ms6 is awd, ms3 is failwd, and cx7 is either failwd with same everything as ms3 or awd which drivetrain is very similar to ms6. Another difference is their ECU's.
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09-26-2009, 01:28 AM
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The reason that I want to put an NC motor in the car is that my prefered method of racing has been drag racing. Some classes require that you use a motor from a like model car. However, if you have an older model that has a smaller and lighter frame (NA), but the newest model has a larger more advance engine (NC), you can take the big motor and stuff it into the old chassis, and still be legal to race.
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. this forum is getting gayer
09-26-2009, 08:32 AM
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Just because it *can be done doesn't mean you should do it.
If you:
1. Have lots of money for a project.
2. Have lots of time for a project.
3. Have mad skillz required by said project.
4. Have patience (and understanding SO) for a long, difficult project.
and
5. Just really want to do something different for the sake of doing it despite conventional reasoning.
....then this would be a great project.
If you're missing any one of those, I'd consider something more conventional. If you meet all the above criteria, then #5 is as good a reason as any.
I'm pretty sure this guy got laughed at when he talked about putting a V6 in a Miata to chase down Vettes, when he could have done the easy thing and just used a Vette motor.
Say what you will...but that is one badass motherfuckin' car.
If you:
1. Have lots of money for a project.
2. Have lots of time for a project.
3. Have mad skillz required by said project.
4. Have patience (and understanding SO) for a long, difficult project.
and
5. Just really want to do something different for the sake of doing it despite conventional reasoning.
....then this would be a great project.
If you're missing any one of those, I'd consider something more conventional. If you meet all the above criteria, then #5 is as good a reason as any.
I'm pretty sure this guy got laughed at when he talked about putting a V6 in a Miata to chase down Vettes, when he could have done the easy thing and just used a Vette motor.
Say what you will...but that is one badass motherfuckin' car.
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09-26-2009, 11:08 AM
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I drag race, and no, that's not the case. You race for your class. Why would I want to run in the 9 second range if I'm trying to stay in the street / modified / or pro class? And if displacement is your only concern, put a turbo ford 5 litre in there. It's an old motor design, but tons of potential, cheap, easy to find...
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09-26-2009, 05:37 PM
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OP the advice or comment that youre gonna get from most of us is the old if you have
the chaching $$$
Time
Knowledge.. ect
Then go ahead, **** is your investment. However if you dont have the things mentioned above then v8 is the way to go for a swap that is relatively cheap, efficient, and will be great at drag racing. 5.0 (stock) miata come in the high 12s and Ls1 (stock) in the high 11s. Also ive seen a small block chevy pull a mid 10.
Im not saying dont do it, I guess we are just pointing out other options that have proven to be efficient and cost effective. At the end however is your investment, so do as you please.
I want to see a Ferrari swap, Im just saying
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