NA vs NB - Stock injectors and fuel pressure
Hey,
I though about the NA vs NB injectors and fuel pressure, I used to think that the NA and NB have about the same flow size injectors 254 vs 265 @ 3 bar, so they should support about the same boost. But lately I've found out that the NB fuel pressure is 4 bar, meaning the injector is running at 306cc so on the NB the stock injector can support a little more boost - I saw NB running almost 200whp on the dyno with stock injectors and stock pressure - now I understand why... Just a though Elior |
Is this a question?
You forgot to enlighten us that NB is not vacuum referenced. |
Do you see and question mark ?
And thank you for the remark. |
I was only curious why this thread existed as it seems most never really care about stock injectors anymore. But hey, congrats on your revelation. ;)
Have you considered alternative drop in FPR to increase base pressure for stock injectors that will then be vacuum referenced? |
This revolution came when I needed to setup an ECU for a turbo NB - the stock pressure was not 3bars like on my NA - so in order to get correct numbers from the ecu a correct fuel pressure is one of the parameters.
Wouldn't you agree that a stock 4bar pressure is uncommon ? |
Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1423431)
This revolution came when I needed to setup an ECU for a turbo NB - the stock pressure was not 3bars like on my NA - so in order to get correct numbers from the ecu a correct fuel pressure is one of the parameters.
Wouldn't you agree that a stock 4bar pressure is uncommon ? |
My head hurts.
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Originally Posted by acedeuce802
(Post 1423475)
Not at all. 4 bar pressure is very common for returnless fuel setups. The difference is at 1 bar of positive boost pressure, the pressure differential over the injectors is now 3 bar. I believe in an NA, with the vacuum referenced FPR, the pressure differential is always 3 bar.
NA 3bar NB 4bar Am I wrong ? |
Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1423484)
NA is returnless and the NB is return (01-05).
NA 3bar NB 4bar Am I wrong ? NA is a vacuum-referenced return-style. NB is non-vacuum returnless. |
NA runs ~35psi at idle, and ~45psi at atmosphere, then 1:1 per psi after that.
this also makes sense since idle is about -10psi... |
Originally Posted by concealer404
(Post 1423485)
Yes.
NA is a vacuum-referenced return-style. NB is non-vacuum returnless. NB 99-00 1.8 in EUDM still has a return line. NB 01-05 1.8 in EUDM is returnless. I do not know about the 1.6 NB EUDM, I think 99-00 still has return. 01-05 not sure. |
Originally Posted by DaWaN
(Post 1423505)
For the USA market that is.
NB 99-00 1.8 in EUDM still has a return line. NB 01-05 1.8 in EUDM is returnless. I do not know about the 1.6 NB EUDM, I think 99-00 still has return. 01-05 not sure. |
Originally Posted by acedeuce802
(Post 1423508)
Do you know if the EUDM NB 99-00 runs 3 or 4 bar, since it's return style?
Got a -00 EU market with returnstyle |
Originally Posted by kenwo91
(Post 1423562)
My ID1000 is set to aprox 1200cc @ 4 bar in megasquirt.
Got a -00 EU market with returnstyle |
So,
He finally realized what we've all known since the late 90's? And this is a discovery? And this guy is a tuner? LOL |
Originally Posted by aidandj
(Post 1423592)
All this tells is us what you set it to. Not what it actually is.
Yes the fp is 4 bar. I think much of my tune would be fucked if I got these numbers mixed up... |
No, because presumably you'd tune your VE table.
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Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1423177)
But lately I've found out that the NB fuel pressure is 4 bar, meaning the injector is running at 306cc so on the NB the stock injector can support a little more boost
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But it is not vacuum referenced
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Originally Posted by elior77
(Post 1423682)
But it is not vacuum referenced
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