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IcantDo55 Nov 17, 2015 01:32 PM

Not a debate, a question...HG for MSM (engine porn inside)
 
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Got a built 2004 MSM motor. Just had head done now I need to order HG. Car will mostly see street duty 300-350 WHP with help of EFR.

1) Stock 2004 HG MSM gasket no reroute
2) Stock 2004 MSM HG with reroute
3) 94-97 HG with reroute
4) something I have not thought of

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18psi Nov 17, 2015 01:35 PM

94-00 gasket with re-route will be most effective
but on street car you can even get away with the OE 01+ gasket depending on rest of the cooling system

Girz0r Nov 17, 2015 01:36 PM

94-00 HG with reroute :bigtu:

AlwaysBroken Nov 17, 2015 01:38 PM

pre VVT headgasket with reroute has worked for everyone for years

I don't have the link handy, but there is some cadillac based coolant hose you can use for the reroute that will save you a lot of the hassle I went through.

Girz0r Nov 17, 2015 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by AlwaysBroken (Post 1284537)
pre VVT headgasket with reroute has worked for everyone for years

I don't have the link handy, but there is some cadillac based coolant hose you can use for the reroute that will save you a lot of the hassle I went through.

Gates #22436 hose or a Dayco #E72380 @ RevLimiter

IcantDo55 Nov 17, 2015 01:54 PM

Thanks.
Part # is BP26-10-271
for future searchers.
$65.17 from Rosenthal Arlington Mazda Parts Store

GASKET,CYL. HEAD (BP26-10-271) - $65.17 - BP2610271

aidandj Nov 17, 2015 02:43 PM

@shuiend what are the ebay ones you like. MLS?

shuiend Nov 17, 2015 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1284551)
@shuiend what are the ebay ones you like. MLS?

I just ordered 3 of these. They should be in Thursday. I have been running ebay MLS HG on miata's since 2010. Never once have I had an issue with them. I always do 94-00 gaskets with reroutes on all the motors I put together.

StealthNB Nov 17, 2015 04:01 PM

With reroute what is the best HG for 2003 VVT engine??

18psi Nov 17, 2015 04:06 PM

are you dense?

Savington Nov 17, 2015 04:15 PM

The 94-00 gasket with a reroute is the desirable combination for every single 94-05 Miata engine. VVT, MSM, everything.

aidandj Nov 17, 2015 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by StealthNB (Post 1284584)
With reroute what is the best HG for 2003 VVT engine??

01-05 HG

18psi Nov 17, 2015 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1284593)
The 94-00 gasket with a reroute is the desirable combination for every single 94-05 Miata engine. VVT, MSM, everything.

but what about the 2002?

shuiend Nov 17, 2015 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1284594)

Originally Posted by StealthNB (Post 1284584)
With reroute what is the best HG for 2003 VVT engine??

01-05 HG

I find the composite 1.6 HG to be the best for the 2003 VVT engines. The smaller displacement means it is lighter which is win-win in my back.

aidandj Nov 17, 2015 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1284611)
I find the composite 1.6 HG to be the best for the 2003 VVT engines. The smaller displacement means it is lighter which is win-win in my back.

Makes it rev faster too.

IcantDo55 Nov 17, 2015 05:39 PM

I really was not trying to open this can of worms (again).

$25 ebay head gaskets....hmmm I'm thinking I'm going crazy and getting the $60 Mazda ones call me BALLER!


But rest assured that every other Miata build (that I dont have $$$ in the block) will be getting some ebay gaskets from now on.

shuiend Nov 17, 2015 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by IcantDo55 (Post 1284635)
I really was not trying to open this can of worms (again).

$25 ebay head gaskets....hmmm I'm thinking I'm going crazy and getting the $60 Mazda ones call me BALLER!


But rest assured that every other Miata build (that I dont have $$$ in the block) will be getting some ebay gaskets from now on.

I only use eBay head gaskets. I go OEM from Rosenthal for every other gasket on the car. Over the years I have noticed a distinct difference in how OEM verse all others hold up. I'll gladly pay slightly more and wait 2 days to get them.

codrus Nov 17, 2015 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1284621)
Makes it rev faster too.

Bah. Permatex ultra gray.

--Ian

stefanst Nov 19, 2015 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1284611)
I find the composite 1.6 HG to be the best for the 2003 VVT engines. The smaller displacement means it is lighter which is win-win in my back.

Would like to see picture of win-win in your back :dealwithit:


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