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Braineack 04-18-2013 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1002776)
..... not sure if trolling....

you're not sure im trolling because im suggesting if you open a huge port to atmospheric on your IM, behind your TB, you will idle at a very high RPM?

Leafy 04-18-2013 12:13 PM

Well I mean, the pcv is kind of already fully open when the manifold is under vac and closes as the manifold pressure becomes greater than the pressure in the cylinder head.

Braineack 04-18-2013 12:28 PM

Not true. It's fully open the closer to atmospheric, with more vacuum the plunger reduces the flow as it's sucked up against the inlet. it only closes completely with boost.

concealer404 04-18-2013 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1002781)
you're not sure im trolling because im suggesting if you open a huge port to atmospheric on your IM, behind your TB, you will idle at a very high RPM?

I'm a little offended that you think i'd be stupid enough to not plug that hole. IF i do this, it will not be the first time i've removed a PCV system entirely. But previously that was on motors ingesting well more than 20psi of boost. (WAY overfilled, you know?) :giggle: Or on a motor that no longer had an intake manifold.

My simple question was whether or not that'd be stupid on a BP that won't see more than 18psi at the most. If i want to go over that, it'll be on a built motor and i'll re-visit the subject at that point. :party:

vitamin j 04-18-2013 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1002781)
you're not sure im trolling because im suggesting if you open a huge port to atmospheric on your IM, behind your TB, you will idle at a very high RPM?

I think he means capping it off lol.


What about the MSM PCV?

concealer404 04-18-2013 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by vitamin j (Post 1002791)
I think he means capping it off lol.


What about the MSM PCV?

I have an MSM with an upgraded turbo that's about to get tuned @ 15psi or 250wtq, whichever comes first.

Hence the questions. :makeout:

Is the MSM super awesome or something? I know on other motors we used to snag the 323GTX PCVs because they held up better under boost in theory.

Braineack 04-18-2013 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1002789)
I'm a little offended that you think i'd be stupid enough to not plug that hole. IF i do this, it will not be the first time i've removed a PCV system entirely. But previously that was on motors ingesting well more than 20psi of boost. (WAY overfilled, you know?) :giggle: Or on a motor that no longer had an intake manifold.

My simple question was whether or not that'd be stupid on a BP that won't see more than 18psi at the most. If i want to go over that, it'll be on a built motor and i'll re-visit the subject at that point. :party:

:)

most people here will plug that hole and weld a second bung on the other side where it has better baffles.

concealer404 04-18-2013 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1002793)
:)

most people here will plug that hole and weld a second bung on the other side where it has better baffles.

Excellent, then just run both vents at that point to a catch and call it a day. :)

So that answers that question, but is this something that would be overkill and more work than it's worth to do on a "mid-boost" MSM? (I'm not sure if that qualifies as over-filling.)

Braineack 04-18-2013 12:46 PM

I'd just let the factory catch-can do its job.

vitamin j 04-18-2013 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1002792)
I have an MSM with an upgraded turbo that's about to get tuned @ 15psi or 250wtq, whichever comes first.

Hence the questions. :makeout:

Is the MSM super awesome or something? I know on other motors we used to snag the 323GTX PCVs because they held up better under boost in theory.

Yeah I dunno just figured it's an OEM valve designed to take boost and easier to source than the 323GTX valve.

concealer404 04-18-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1002799)
I'd just let the factory catch-can do its job.

Cool, thank you. :)

There's some issues with the factory catch can and how terrible it is, but for my street car, not likely to be a problem.

Braineack 04-18-2013 12:59 PM

i mean, the same can be said for the MSM turbo setup and ECU alone... so.

concealer404 04-18-2013 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1002806)
i mean, the same can be said for the MSM turbo setup and ECU alone... so.

I don't know what you're talking about. Clearly it was the turbo Miata Mazda should have created.


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