99 head swap backfires won't start
08-25-2011, 06:08 PM
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99 head swap backfires won't start
I swapped out my warped 96 head for a 99 head. I had the 99 head taken to a machine shop and had them shave.008 off to make sure it was straight. Then put it on the car. everything went smoothly with the installation except that we had to take about a 1/4 inch off the bottom of the passenger side chain cover mounting bracket(the stamped steel one that sits behind the cam gears).
Now the car will not start. And is back firing through the intake when cranking.
I really think that it is the ignition timing but i'm not sure of a great way to verify that it is sparking at TDC of compression stroke.
Ive tried moving the cam sensor to see if it would help. and it can stop the backfire, or it can cause a flame to shoot out of the throttle body depending on where it's positioned.
The car is a 92 with 96 block, 99 head, 90-93 MSPNP.
any advice would be appreciated.
Now the car will not start. And is back firing through the intake when cranking.
I really think that it is the ignition timing but i'm not sure of a great way to verify that it is sparking at TDC of compression stroke.
Ive tried moving the cam sensor to see if it would help. and it can stop the backfire, or it can cause a flame to shoot out of the throttle body depending on where it's positioned.
The car is a 92 with 96 block, 99 head, 90-93 MSPNP.
any advice would be appreciated.
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08-25-2011, 06:15 PM
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Flip the ignition wires. Sounds like you've got the 1/4 plugs connected to the 2/3 coils and vise-versa.
The relative positions of the two coils are reversed on the 1.6 engine as compared to all of 94-00 1.8s.
It actually doesn't matter which coil is which, so long as the correct path of ECU wire -> coil -> plugs is maintained.
EDIT: just noticed that this was only a head swap, not an engine swap. Are the ignition wires hooked up the same as when this was working with the '96 head?
The relative positions of the two coils are reversed on the 1.6 engine as compared to all of 94-00 1.8s.
It actually doesn't matter which coil is which, so long as the correct path of ECU wire -> coil -> plugs is maintained.
EDIT: just noticed that this was only a head swap, not an engine swap. Are the ignition wires hooked up the same as when this was working with the '96 head?
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08-26-2011, 02:42 AM
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If you want to check ignition timing:
Disconnect the injector connectors.
Pull out the spark-plugs
Put the spark-plugs in the Spark-plug-connector and ground them to the engine block.
Now check timing with the timinglamp.
As for the cams: you can mount the cam-sprocket wrong. The wheel for the exhaust and intake are the same but they are mounted specificly for their function.
Check the manual.
Disconnect the injector connectors.
Pull out the spark-plugs
Put the spark-plugs in the Spark-plug-connector and ground them to the engine block.
Now check timing with the timinglamp.
As for the cams: you can mount the cam-sprocket wrong. The wheel for the exhaust and intake are the same but they are mounted specificly for their function.
Check the manual.
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08-26-2011, 04:11 AM
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We all think you're lying. 
Photograph the cam gears with 19 teeth between the marks, photograph the cams with #1 lobes opposite facing at #1 TDC, and also confirm that #1 TDC is actually #1 TDC - don't use your balancer, use the crank pulley mark or stick a screwdriver in the #1 spark plug hole and rotate until it's at its peak.
The only other thing it could be is if you crossed the spark plug leads or the coil plugs (plugging the 1/4 coil harness into the 2/3 coil)
Photograph the cam gears with 19 teeth between the marks, photograph the cams with #1 lobes opposite facing at #1 TDC, and also confirm that #1 TDC is actually #1 TDC - don't use your balancer, use the crank pulley mark or stick a screwdriver in the #1 spark plug hole and rotate until it's at its peak. The only other thing it could be is if you crossed the spark plug leads or the coil plugs (plugging the 1/4 coil harness into the 2/3 coil)
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08-26-2011, 05:36 AM
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In for failed timing pics. Some one should figure out what it takes to time it to run the intake as exhaust and vise versa. I'm surprised some timing belt first timers havent stumbled upon it yet.
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08-26-2011, 09:52 AM
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Thanks fellas, guess I decided that it would be good to line them up without reading the letter on the stamped steel plate. Yay For Miata Turbo And All Those Who Doubted! Thanks Everyone!
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08-26-2011, 10:21 AM
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Well, you did it wrong as we thought. you have E lined up with I on the intake side, and I lined up with E on the exhaust side...
when you do it correctly, I and E will point veritcally and you should have 19 belt teeth between those two marks. the Cam lobes will also point away from each other.
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